Sunday, May 17, 2009

Bring it on, says Gonçalo Amaral

Portuguese investigator to counter-sue McCanns

LISBON (AFP) — The police officer who formerly led the Portuguese investigation into the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann said he would counter sue the missing girl's parents Sunday.

"My lawyers are working on the case and we will take the McCann couple to court and perhaps other people for defamation, slanderous denunciations and false statements," said Goncalo Amaral on Portuguese TVI television.

"We will see who has spoken the truth in this case" into the disappearance of Madeleine in the south of Portugal in May 2007, he added.

On Saturday, Kate and Gerry McCann announced they were to take action for defamation over comments made in the media by Amaral, who is now retired.

In a statement, the couple said: "We, together with our three children Madeleine, Sean and Amelie, are taking this legal action against Goncalo Amaral over his entirely unfounded and grossly defamatory claims -- made in all types of media, both within Portugal and beyond -- that Madeleine is not only dead, but that we, her parents, were somehow involved in concealing her body."

Portuguese police named Kate and Gerry McCann as "arguidos", or formal suspects, in their daughter's disappearance, in September 2007, but prosecutors announced in July 2008 that they were no longer suspects.

Amaral was removed from the case in October 2007.

Portuguese police have said they are no longer actively investigating the case.

Madeleine, who would now be six years old, went missing from a holiday flat where her family were staying in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007.

Copyright © 2009 AFP. All rights reserved.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jHXPM0oA7JyVh1xY6X0Ichg75Trg

156 comments:

nancy said...

Hi Claudia -

I read your news about GA counter- sueing the McCanns on the 3A's just now!

I have changed my mind and will be watching the This Morning programme tomorrow to see what their reaction to the news is!

It looks like GA is finally going to get his day in Court and that is justifiable considering the effort he alone has put into trying to solve the enigma of Maddie's disappearance and his continued interest,rather than doing the easy thing and shelving it.

I wonder if Tony Bennett will be the next ones in the dock! I know he would welcome that as much as Goncalo.

By the way, I hope the flu has diminished and you are back to being your old healthy self tomorrow.


Nx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Interesting times. :-)
I'm still feverish and think I need to sleep a bit.
Thank you.
xxx

bath theory said...

The thing that is really really interesting is why a government advisor is seconded to this group and then becomes employed to act for them. Why would a prime minister's advisor get involved?

Seeing as labour's rating is the lowest it has EVER been since records began he is not really in a position to assist at a political level is he. Could get very very interesting if Amaral sues the McCann's and Clarence Mitchell and PDL authprities sue them for loss of earnings!!

It is believed that Carter Ruck are not involved and it is Brian Kennedy's solicitor is involved. Here is a link to who he is and what he looks like.

http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/1857924.east_lancs_solicitor_leads_madeleine_hunt/

This shows us Edward Smethurst is a small town lawyer who is basically in the pay of Brian Kennedy. Enough said hey.

bath theory said...

Here is an article about british government D notices which may be in place over this story. It seems absurd if one is but then it seems absurb for a PM to get involved and for a government advisor to become the couple's communication media advisor doesn't it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1999/02/99/e-cyclopedia/342909.stm

Some bloke called Rear Admiral David Pulvertaft is the bloke in charge apparently. The committee is now called the Defence, Press and Broadcasting Advisory committee.

Cláudia said...

Thanks for the link, Bath Theory.
xxxx

bath theory said...

The current one is Andrew Vallance and this is the link

http://www.dnotice.org.uk/secretary.htm

Please delete previous two messages claudia, cheers x

bath theory said...

Link to speech he gave 2 months ago on press freedoms etc

http://blogs.journalism.co.uk/editors/tag/andrew-vallance/

Cláudia said...

Thanks for your hard wor, BT.
xxxx

bath theory said...

Link to another article entitled secrecy v security which shows the outline mentality of the guy who is the D- notice committeee chap now Andrew Vallance

http://www.freedominfo.org/documents/icic/vallance.pdf

nancy said...

Hi BT - nice to read you and thanks for the links too.

I think everyone has been asking the question as to why CM was seconded to the McCann's side and has been speaking for them ever since. An unnecessary expense I should think because GM has proved he can speak publicly on numerous occasions.

It begs the question as to why a couple who are trying to get as much money together as possible to find their child would spend money on a salary that is completely unnecessary. They are no longer arguidos after all.

Could it be that they need him for publicity purposes, i.e. to act as an agent introducing them to every part of the media he can. They are of course celebrities in their own right now and don't they know it!

They unflinchingly try to convince the public that Madeleine is still alive, when everything points to her death. I don't think it's just wishful thinking on their part, but a ploy to get people to continue with the little brown envelopes!

It would be interesting to know just how much money has reached their hands since the 3rd May 2007.

Good luck to you Goncalo Amaral in your search for justice, not only for Madeleine, but for yourself and your family too!

Cláudia said...

Amen, Nancy!
xxxx

dylan said...

Good morning all,

Have been away for the weekend at my parents again.

Whilst it is good news that GA is planning to counter-sue, I am wondering why the McCanns wish to sue in the first intance.

I think, either they are innocent, or they are pretty damn sure that they have a watertight defence. Otherwise, it is a very risky process for them to start.

As we all know, people with skeletons in their closet who sue, usually end up with it all backfiring on them!

Personally, I can't see that there is anything that is libellous that GA could have said to them. But then, I haven't read the book. As far as I know, he has only written about what the investigative process that was undertaken, has pointed to, and he has written about the findings when he was on the case.

I am puzzled. Does anybody have any ideas as to why on earth K & G would want to pursue this?

Hi BT, will look at links and thanks!

Cláudia, get well soon. I'm sending you some virtual chocolate and a moccachino :-)

xxx

xxx

mandarinn said...

Good morning Claudia & ALL!!
breaking NEWS
I just read in Sky News about GA sue the Mccanns, the interesting thing are the comments.All very negative to the mccanns.
Another funny new i got there hmmmm maybe we can take some conclusions about it....
Oprah program will invite 2 friends: a orangutan and a dog.
I love animals and if i were them i will sue Oprah to mix me with macsum ahahaha
bjs

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
LOL Thanks!
Not much better, but have to work today, so better not mention it. :-)
Apparently there is an English version of the book ready to be published in the USA. I bet that's the motive. Once it's available in English, can you imagine?...
By the way, great publicity for the book. In the last couple of days this blog has had many hits coming from Google from people who searched for 'The truth of the Lie' or 'Goncalo Amaral's book'. :-)
Have a great day, Dylan!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Mandarinn.
Thanks. I haven't checked the news because I haven't been feeling that well. But I will, as soon as I can. :-)
xxxx

Zodiac said...

Hi Claudia and all,

Claudia great news about the English version being ready to be published in America. Ha they can't sue the American publisher! Thank you Obama!

The McC's suing GA was mentioned on This Morning no mention of GA's conter action.


GMcC on This Morning 18/05/09: "If people believe that (meaning M is dead) there can't be an ongoing search".

How on earth can there not be an ongoing search? Whatever people believe it is up to you as M's parents to search for her, you placed that onus on yourselves when you did not ask the Portuguese authorities to reopen the case in Sept. 08 when you legally had the right to such a request. I believe you can still request this. Also why are you not asking the British authorities to investigate? You were sitting next to one today. Imo it is not an ongoing search not continuing, more like ongoing collection of money cannot continue, ongoing suing cannot continue, the family Company cannot continue and all remaining money would have to be dispersed as according to the rules of the Company when first set up, assuming that clause is still in there! Imo Goncalo Amaral and his actions do not affect your non action! The McC's today have accused Goncalo Amaral on British TV of something he has not done I do hope this will be a document just like their Mockumentary.

Claudia great news about the English version being published in America. Ha they can't sue the American publisher. Thank you Obama!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac.
That's what I herad. That the translation was done and waiting to be published. I thin it was somewhere ion the British press.

Here it is:

The real reason for the shameful McCanns claim against Gonçalo Amaral


The McCanns selling Maddie since day 3 May 2007


The real reason for the McCanns claim against Gonçalo Amaral 'An English version of his book has already been produced for America.'

By Daniel Boffey

Kate and Gerry McCann are suing a detective who claims their daughter Madeleine died in an ‘accident’ at their holiday flat on the night she vanished.

They want to force the pulping of the book The Truth About The Lie, by Goncalo Amaral, who led the police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz two years ago.

But a source said the McCanns could be forced to give evidence in court in their action against Mr Amaral – presenting him with a stage from which to attack the couple.

His publisher, Mario Sena Lopes, said he was ‘looking forward’ to his day in court.

He is seeking a British publisher for his book after selling 250,000 copies on the Continent, including 175,000 in Portugal.

An English version has already been produced for America.The McCanns also want to make sure a documentary produced by Mr Amaral for Portuguese TV does not win a wider audience.

Their defamation case, lodged yesterday in Lisbon, alleges that Mr Amaral has damaged their reputation ‘causing indescribable devastation and suffering’ and put in danger the well-being of their children, twins Sean and Amelie, four, and particularly Madeleine.

Mr Amaral was forced off the inquiry in October 2007 for criticising British police.

He was partly responsible for making the McCanns arguidos, formal suspects, in the case.

His book claims Madeleine, then aged three, died in a ‘tragic accident’ in the holiday flat on the night she disappeared.

Mr Amaral has never claimed that heart surgeon Gerry and GP Kate, of Rothley, Leicestershire, killed her.

He has reportedly said his only regret was failing to carry out a reconstruction of events soon after Madeleine vanished, but says he was put under ‘serious pressure’ not to.

The McCanns said they were taking action over Mr Amaral’s claims ‘that Madeleine is not only dead but that we, her parents, were somehow involved in concealing her body’.

They said it was ‘a disgraceful thesis that we are somehow involved in the disappearance of our much loved daughter Madeleine’.

They added: ‘We can no longer stand back and watch Mr Amaral try to convince the entire world that Madeleine is dead.’

They included their children as complainants in the action as ‘Sean and Amelie require protection as they prepare to start school this autumn. Madeleine requires protection from those who are obstructing the possibility of her being found’.

Isabel Duarte, the new McCanns 'defamation' lawyer

Mr and Mrs McCann have hired one of Portugal’s top libel lawyers, Isabel Duarte, 54.

They can force the book off Portuguese shelves and bar the country’s TV stations from repeating his claims if they can prove that he has accused them ‘even in the form of a suspicion...of something which is offensive to their honour or esteem’.

Mr Amaral must show he had good reason to believe his allegations were true and he made them in good faith.

Unlike in the UK, the McCanns would be eligible for only nominal compensation. But a source said their motivation in suing Mr Amaral was simply to ‘censure him’.

‘He has been publicising his book across Europe and they just think enough is enough.’

Last month Mr Amaral announced plans to start his own ‘international’ private investigation to solve the mystery.

He intends to send his findings to judicial chiefs in Portugal with a request to reopen the case.

His publisher, Ms Lopes, said: ‘The conclusions of the book are also the conclusions of many Portuguese and British police involved in the inquiry.

‘We are looking for a publisher in the UK, but the McCanns have a very powerful influence in British society and a lot of pressure is being made to prevent the book being published. We have had a lot of letters from UK people who want it published there.’

in Daily Mail
xxxx

Zodiac said...

'They can force the book off Portuguese shelves and bar the country’s TV stations from repeating his claims if they can prove that he has accused them ‘even in the form of a suspicion...of something which is offensive to their honour or esteem’.'

Even if the above is achievable what about elsewhere in Europe or the rest of World!


'Unlike in the UK, the McCanns would be eligible for only nominal compensation. But a source said their motivation in suing Mr Amaral was simply to ‘censure him’.

Who do they think they are?

‘He has been publicising his book across Europe and they just think enough is enough.’

Well I have had enough of the McC's deciding what I can and cannot read in the UK. I have had enough of imo their propaganda. Why do they not just go and look for their missing child surely she is worth more than 13.3%. That is if 13.3% really has been spent on looking??


Claudia I was so delighted about the book being published in English and the publisher's being American I noticed I said it twice when I posted to you. At the start and the end of my post!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac!
I'm afraid that if any court stopped the selling of Mr Amaral's book, there would be a revolution in this country. Many people still remember how it is to live in a dictatorship. People have been in jail and have died so we can now enjoy freedom of expression... It is something that Portugiese people love more than life.
Work's waiting! :-)
xxxx

mariacpois said...

"http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2009/05/another-mccannipulation.html"

"The McCann are not filling a crime complaint against Mr. Gonçalo Amaral – they are suing in a civil court, not in a criminal court.
Why?
Because they are not looking for a conviction for defamation in a criminal court,

they are looking for receiving a large amount of damages, in a civil court – ........"

nancy said...

Hi Dylan -

Good to see you back and hope the weekend went well.

I imagine that the McCann's got wind of the fact that GA was going to sue them (I'm sure there are a few spies around him) so they decided to get theirs in first.

Personally, I can't see what they can sue him over. He has only given his opinion that Maddie is no longer alive, which is a view shared by millions I should think; they can hardly sue him for an opinion. He has never accused them of anything other than neglecting their children which is a true fact. His opinion is that Maddie had an accident and died in the apartment; again an opinion he, especially being the detective who was dealing with the case, is quite entitled to express.

Personally, I don't think they have a leg to stand on, but I still wouldn't bet they won't win because, as I've said so often before, they are untouchables!

nancy said...

Hi everyone -

I watched This Morning on ITV and first of all have to say how skinny Kate looked and she showed it off to perfection with the very short sleeved blouse she had on. She wore enough make up to cement a patio but then that's the make- up artists fault I suppose.

They both seemed very nervous to me and it's obviously because they know many people who were watching weren't taken in at all by them.

I couldn't believe how they were let off the hook, as usual, by the two hosts who didn't ask a single difficult question but simply pampered them!

They mentioned about suing GA but there was no mention of the counter-suing of course. They obviously don't want that information to go into people's homes!

They said recently that GA's comments caused indescribable devastation and suffering to their lives - well the same could be said of the suffering they have caused GA and his family, and also the lives of people in PdeL whose livelihoods by all accounts have been seriously affected.

I thought the Mother who lost her child in Germany, and her daughter, came across as much more normal and long suffering than the McCanns ever have.

A bit more cash in the bank for them of course!

For a couple who are fed up with the media they have a strange way of showing it!

nancy said...

Just a snippet from an article on McCann Files - Rod Chaytor of the Daily Mirror writes:

"Ex Cop - David Edgar, former policeman leading the hunt for Madeleine, said she was snatched to be loved

Madeleine McCann is still alive and she was snatched by someone who wanted a child to love. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time"

----------------------------------

Is Madeleine 'all of a sudden' going to make an appearance as a loved child, smiling and happy?

I wish with all my heart that was the case, but I think he is out of his tree quite frankly. He is also raising false hopes in coming out with stuff like this.

I know for a fact that the majority of Portuguese people, like the Spanish and Italians, know and mix with the people who live next door to them. It's not like the UK where people quite often don't know their neighbours.

If Madeleine had been snatched and was in PdeL then she would have been found by now, no doubt of it.

Anyway, he is conveniently overlooking the evidence found in the apartment and the car, not to mention the inconsistencies in the tapas' statements.

Cláudia said...

Obrigada, Maria.
Já tinha lido e achado interessante.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Do you think they will also sue the PJ officer who wrote the report saying that all evidence pointed to Madeleine's death? or the British officer who wrote a report telling the PJ it was time to stop looking for a living Madeleine and start looking for a body? Or Mr Grime, who said the dogs always alert to what they have been trained for?
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy.
These 'investigators' (for lack of a better word) are paid by the McCanns so they onviously can't explore other possibilities. However, I have to confess that this theory is by far the most pathetic of them all. In fact, more pathetic than that only theories involving alien abduction. So, Madeleine was abducted to be loved and is living in a remote village in the Algarve? ROTFLMAO! He clearly doesn't know Portugal. There are no remote places here! You can go from North to South in a 6 hour drive. And by the way, what happened to the names of the sexual offenders who were, according to him, involved in the abduction? Does he mean a sick kind of love? Or is he just being as ridiculous and pathetic as the M3 guy with his offensive 'she'll be home by Christmas' thing?
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Mariacpois, Hi and thanks for that.

That explains it. I couldn't get my head around why they would risk sueing in a criminal court ;-)

Hi Nancy - thanks!

Cláudia, good news that all this has drawn attention to the book. The more people that know about it and get to know that it is banned, the more serious questions there will be. IMO, the McCanns are making a big mistake. GA's book is their "Achilles heel", so why draw attention to it??

Lol re all of the people (and dogs) that they will have to sue!!

IMO (and just my opinion), K & G would have had far more sympathy had they withdrawn themselves from the limelight and quietly got on with finding their daughter in a dignified way, and not in the headline-grabbing, me me me, we've been so hard done by, sueing spree that they have. There is a saying: "The lady doth protest too much". I think it is very fitting in this case!

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
Couldn't agree more with what you said!
xxxx

nancy said...

Hi Claudia -

The McCanns have had it in for GA since the start and have conveniently overlooked what has been said and printed by others about their involvement, but it is to be hoped that when GA meets them in Court there will be witnesses willing to stand up and substantiate what he says is what he truly believes happened.

As for the Ploddish PC's the McCanns are using now, they should go back to their retirement homes and make up stories for their grandkids! They would be more believable I'm sure!

Cláudia said...

Hi, NAncy!
If it ever goes to court (and I hope it does), it will be a blast!

As for the 'detectives', ROTFLMAO!
xxxx

mandarinn said...

Hi
I read that Mccans don't sue GA in a criminal Court ( we can see why...) but as their lady layer said in a civil court to get an big money.
I am not surprised they don't want to go to a criminal court and their greed for money is also obvious. I hope GA sue them by defamation in a criminal court. We will see what happen...

Cláudia said...

Hi, Mandarinn.
I hard that Mr Amaral decided to advance with a 'queixa-crime' so I take it he is suing in a criminal court, although my knowledge of law is poor. Do you know more about the law than I do? :-)
xxxx

mandarinn said...

Unluckily not, Claudia... but by what i read the sue in civil court(?) is more vantages to the McCans (maybe they only has to prove they got moral damages and want the equivalent amount of money. Their layer said that the criminal court would be harder because it will touch with free press and speech.I also think in criminal court they had to proof the things about they claim.However if GA sue them in criminal court they have to go there or maybe not with all protection we had seen..

Cláudia said...

HI, Mandarinn.
I have to ask someone who knows about the law! ;-)
xxxx

mandarinn said...

just read an intersting thread in "on global trends" it worth to see

mandarinn said...

And tell us after

Cláudia said...

Read it too, Mandarinn. Very good.
I will. It may take some time, though. The person in question is busy.
xxxx

Niza said...

Today I went to buy 5 "Truth of the Lie" book and at end of the month I will buy 10 more. Every month I buy more books when get salary, so that book always circulate. They can sue for book to not be sold if they win, but they can't sue all Portuguese to dump books already bought in garbage or try stop us from lending book to friends, you not think so Claudia?
Dr. Gonçalo Amaral and publisher must be happy. If book best seller before, imagine now. Plus, other countries were book just publish will want buy book McCanns not want them to read. Its like if they say "oh, please buy the book". Better publicity impossible.

So smart, so many media machine and lobby and in end shoot own foot with arrogance and belief of impunity.

But I still wait to learn if official. Only when I hear here that papers actually filed and stamped by court I believe them. Because in past we see case of them talk talk talk and no action.
Like Marco said "falam, falam, falam, mas eu não os vejo a fazer nada" (talk, talk, talk, but I not see them do anything).

Cláudia said...

Hi, Niza.
I agree. I'l believe it, when I see them in court. Not before that.
As for the book, in this country no one tells us what we can and cannot read and what we can and cannot watch. There would be a revolution, if freedom of speech was affected. Fascism may be acceptable elsewhere, but not here. Not anymore. People have died to end it.
As for the book, I've offered many. Birthdays, Christmas, etc. :-)
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Good morning all,

Niza, that really is dedication :-)

Cláudia, I don't blame you or your country. Ours is in a mess anyway, with the MP expenses fiasco, so I would think freedom to read what we want to read is at the bottom of the PM's list :-(

According to the PH-H, we are all angry about K & G suing GA. Where did they get that from?? You should see what words RP has used to describe GA. How very grown-up of her!

Dylan xxx

JennyH said...

Claudia -- I hope you are feeling better. Summer isn't a time for flu.

You say:

'As for the book, in this country no one tells us what we can and cannot read and what we can and cannot watch. There would be a revolution, if freedom of speech was affected. Fascism may be acceptable elsewhere, but not here. Not anymore. People have died to end it.'

I'd like to set aside the McCann case here if I may to make a couple of (unemotional) points.

Obviously you weren't referring to the UK, as few countries have done more to fight fascism and preventing it from invading our shores (and those of others). And, apart from some OTT PC nonsense, we have a long tradition of free speech. You only have to see what is being said in Parliament and written in the press right now to see how true this is.

But free speech carries responsibility. The UK outlaws hate speech, for example, for obvious reasons. And for people to be truly free you have to give them the opportunity to bring libel actions against anyone they believe has attacked their reputation. That is one of the basic freedoms that we enjoy. It has nothing to do with telling people what they may or may not read.

The courts will decide whether the injured party has been libelled or not.

Incidentally, in this country, as far as I know, there is no 'criminal' libel -- does anyone know differently? I believe here it can only be a civil action.

Zodiac said...

Hi Claudia and all,

'Or is he just being as ridiculous and pathetic as the M3 guy with his offensive 'she'll be home by Christmas' thing?'


Hope you are feeling better Claudia. The offensive home by Christmas M3 comment imo M3 perhaps just did/said what their employers perhaps told them to do/say just like this defective duo seem to be doing. I cannot believe that D E expects people to believe the things he is saying! I find it difficult to believe he was actually copper!

Zodiac said...

Oops - actually a copper!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
Most countries are in a mess and for the same reason: politicians. These people are of the worst kind, right ot left. They are leeches and they sell themselves to the highest bidder. Nothing else matters apart from their own selfish interests.
As dor the HoF, I haven't cheched. But I can imagine. Poops always loved to use gutter language. Probably reminds her of her old times. She is probably brain damaged enough to remember that Mr Amaral has been trying to get those two to sue him since his book was published.
Wishing you a great day.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Jenny.
Still feverish, but the headache isn't as strong, thank you.

Jenny, I wasn't talking about libel actions. In this country, everybody is free to sue anyone. You just have to get a lawyer. You don't even have to have money because the state can get you a lawyer if you can't afford one. I was talking about this:

"They can force the book off Portuguese shelves and bar the country’s TV stations from repeating his claims(...)

And this doesn't happen in our country. It hasn't happened since dictatorship was defeated by people who went to prison and who died so we could read and watch whatever we wanted. They can sue away, but they can't tell us what books we buy and read. And believe me, if that happened, serious things could happen in this country. There are still many people out there who remember how it was before 1974. Very touchy topic, believe me...
As for the other question, I have no idea. I'm know very little about Portuguese law and nothing about British law. But I don't think British law comes into question, because both are suing in Portugal. And the term I heard in Mr Amaral's case was 'queixa-crime', which may indicate a criminal case.
Enjoy your day, Jenny!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac.
I couldn't agree more. If they're paying them, then they say what they want said. I still find what that M3 idiot said one of the most disgusting things ever. Saying that he knew where madeleine was, who had 'taken' her and that she would be homme by Christmas was absolutely shameless. But I guess people do and say anything if they're paid enough.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

P.S:
Sorry, Jenny, forgot to say that the quote was from the Daily Mail but could be read in other places too.
xxxx

JennyH said...

Hi Claudia

I think this comment was actually speculation as to what would happen if any libel action against Mr Amaral succeeded in Portugal. The result of a successful libel action by the McCanns WOULD effectively force the book etc off the shelves, unless the sellers were happy to expose themselves to legal action. Obviously nobody would be prevented from reading it and only if the Portuguese courts found for the McCanns would bookshops etc be under any pressure not to stock it. It is up to the Portuguese courts now anyway, and I assume they would be fair and even-handed in view of the country's history, as you say.

Cláudia said...

Hi, JennyH.
That has never happened in Portugal after the dictatorship was taken down. And Mr Amaral's publisher already said they were eager to discuss the matter in court. I'm sure people from other nationalities have no idea how offensive it is for a Portuguese citizen to suggest that a certain book can be taken off the shelves. Many people still remember the times when that was common.
Let's wait and see.
Gotta go fix lunch. Or something similar! LOL
xxxx

JennyH said...

So does that mean, Claudia, that booksellers in Portugal would continue to stock and sell a book that had been declared libellous by the country's courts (and I'm not saying that Amaral's is libellous)? Even if they were not actually prevented from selling it, would they really take the risk of legal action in defence of freedom of speech? That seems to be quite an extreme reaction to history.

Keeping the offending material out there would be a bit tough on people who have been provably libelled, surely? Imagine if you were the victim.

I'm sure people from other countries with a longer democratic tradition than Portugal would also feel offended in principle by having books taken off the shelves, but I am also sure that they would defend the right of individuals to be protected against undeserved damage to their reputation.

I am genuinely interested btw -- as a general principle, not in support of the McCanns' actions. Would Portuguese booksellers be able to sell books by Holocaust deniers for example? Or books full of racist attacks on Obama?

Cláudia said...

Hi, Jenny.
I can't tell you what would happen because as far as I'm aware no book was ever taken off the shelves since Portugal is a Democracy. Some books who have been labbeled as controversial have not been sold in some places, namely in a certain supermarket company, but sold everywhere else. People are free to choose what they want to read. If anyone thinks they are being libelled, they can resort to courts.
All I know is what Mr Amaral's publisher stated. And they were very clear. 24 Horas was also clear when the McCanns threatened to sue. They said (and I heard it on live TV), they were happy to be sued. Nothing came out of it.
I can't talk about books which don't exist. Can't you buy 'Mein Kampf' in the UK? (Real question!).
I remember being in a German Literature class when I was at University. My professor is German, left wing and one of the sweetest peopel I have ever met. I'm still in contact with him nowadays. Suddenly we started to discuss if 'Mein Kampf' should be banned and people stopped from buiyng and reading it. People were exchanging arguments and opinions, some people were undecided and then, my professor, with his calm, wise, sensible way said something like: 'If we banned it and stopped people from reading it and making up their minds, wouldn't we be repeating Hitler's behaviour?'. I never forgot that class. :-)

JennyH said...

You can certainly get hold of Mein Kampf -- probably because Hitler has been slightly discredited lol. But there are laws against hate speech and racist speech (spoken and written) because they not only cause grave offence to certain sectors of the population but also threaten the country's security. Anyone who has read the BNP manifesto and heard speakers in Hyde Park (and seen 'top shelf' porn publications on sale) knows how tolerant the UK is, but where free speech threatens the safety of the population and/or sensitivities of vulnerable social groups it is less so. And I agree with that.

I think you are talking about censorship not libellous material. That is usually more political. We certainly have no political censorship in the UK. Provided as I say it isn't hate speech.

If court-proven libellous material were freely available, how would readers be able to make up their minds what is true? They would have no other source of information. People have the right to be protected against unfounded attacks on their integrity.

Anyone reading Mein Kampf today knows where its sentiments led. But everything has to be viewed in context. Would you (if you had had the power) with hindsight have allowed it in pre-war Germany?

nancy said...

Hello everyone -

I hope your are having a good day!

Jenny -

I'm sure you are right in saying that libel cases are heard as Civil Actions, although I am sure there have been exceptions, i.e. if there was resultant civil disturbance and someone was harmed as a direct result of the libel.

Hope you are well Jenny.

----------------------------------
Did anyone watch the programme Tears Lies and Videotape last night?

Very interesting and showing criminals' reactions when they are trying desperately to cover their crimes in front of the television cameras!

A specialist in his field showed how different movements, i.e. facial expressions, eye and shoulder movements, head shaking and nodding, coolness, over emotion etc. can help detect when someone is lying.

I have a feeling a certain couple will have been watching intently to make sure they get their act together in future!

JennyH said...

Sorry I've hogged the blog! I like discussions and debate too much I think.

Cláudia said...

With hindsight? No, probably not. But I'm pretty certain it wouldn't make a difference. It was not about the book (which only became 'famous' after the genocide), but about a crazy bastard who was smart enough to manipulate desperate people and play with their fears.
But if we are talking about hate speech, isn't 'Mein Kampf' the symbol of it? Shouldn't it be banned? Yes, Hitler has been 'discredited', but there are hundreds of thousands (sadly, probably millions) who still support his ideals. People who tell their children about his ideals and who buy the book to support their twisted beliefs. It's a difficult question. I don't believe that banning the book would contribute to the decrease in the number of supporters. On the contrary. Here in Portugal we have a saying 'O fruto proibido é o mais apetecido' which means something like 'the forbidden fruit is the most appealing one'. :-)
I don't believe in censorship at all. The Roman Catholic Church (and I am a Cathoic, although not a practising one) would have banned 'The Da Vinci Code' if they could have. It is offensive to the Roman Caholic Church, they say (I haven't watched the film. LOl!). I think that is a very touchy subject. generally speaking, I would rather give people the opportunity to people to watch and read everything they wish and then make up their minds.

P.S: Should the McCann documentary be banned? It displays the face of a man who (according to those who have the whole files in their possession) has been checked by the PJ and eliminated from the enquiry.

P.P.S: I don't think it should be banned, by the way. I think there can't be a true choice if you're not presented with both sides. And I'm not only talking about the Madeleine case. :-)

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
I haven't watched it, for obvious reasons, but I have read about it.
bet some people have leatnt a lot with it! LOL
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, JennyH!
You like debate as much as I do! :-) That's why I like you! :-)))
I just wish my headache wasn't coming back. And, of course, I wish I didn't have to translate 8 pages today! :-(
Oh well... :-)
xxxx

JennyH said...

Claudia, sorry if I gave you a headache. Thanks for your tolerance!

Mein Kampf: there are very few people in the UK who would be influenced by it in this day and age; you'd wonder where they had been all this time! It is generally read only by historical researchers.

You must also look at the context. The availability of Mein Kampf poses no threat to British society. Apart from a tiny minority fringe, we simply don't have Nazi or Fascist tendencies. However, in Germany they are more worried about the dangers of Nazi ideas and have made denial of the Holocaust a criminal offence. Does this 'censorship' trample on an author's human rights or is it a sensible approach?

But all this has nothing to do with libel. Individuals and their reputations are entitled to protection in the courts. It is IDEAS that should not be restricted -- unless, as I say, they are a direct threat to people's safety.

Today in the UK extremist Muslims have capitalised on our freedom of speech to incite violence amongst disaffected youth. They have been allowed extraordinary latitude even after terrorist attacks. Only now is there any real move to 'censor' them and only the very worst of them are being tackled.

The person 'depicted' in the video was not named in it. If he had been, that would I think have been libellous. But naturally it would not have been banned by the authorities -- there is such a thing as self-censorship. We are not talking about BANNING books or documentaries, but about booksellers and disseminators of libellous material voluntarily withdrawing the material from sale in order not to face legal action. That surely is what that quote was actually about?

JennyH said...

Hi Nancy

I think you are right -- libel is a civil matter except on possible occasions when it led to violence. But then that would no longer be libel, would it, but some sort of offence against public order? Or possibly hate speech -- it would depend on the circumstances, wouldn't it?

JennyH said...

Now I'm really, really going. In other words -- I'll shut up lol

Cláudia said...

Hi, JennyH!
It wasn't you who gave me the headache. It was the flu! LOL
Is that what the quote means? I don't know. But I'm pretty sure that if the McCanns could they would prevent all books from being publsihed, the documentariy being shown anywhere and all discussion about the case stopped. And that is offensive where I live. And a very, very sensitive subject that most likely only Portuguese people can fully understand.
In Austria, quite recently, a far right party was part of the government (it's leader was recently killed in a car accident so I will refrain from expressing my views on the person in question). Do I think that was because of 'Mein KAmpf'? No, I don't. And I don't think the book should be banned. It's part of history. people should read it if they wish to. Most people will certainly feel sick after reaing it. Some will agree with its content. But it's the price to pay.
In Portugal, I'm not sure if a Publisher would voluntarily remove anything from the shelves because, as I said before, as far as I'm aware, it never happened after dictatorship was defeated.
The peson in the 'documentary' wasn't named. But his face has been splashed all over the world as a possible child abductor. Can he sue? Or should he sue? ;-)
xxxx

Cláudia said...

JennyH, I'll let you go for now. But don't shut up! :-)
xxxx

JennyH said...

Oh dear -- I'm back already but that is it, OK?

I think any aware publisher would avoid publishing anything actionable out of self-preservation; they generally have a nose for this sort of thing. As for taking it off their shelves (or rather list) -- well, who would he sell it to? What booksellers would be happy to stock it? I doubt if the Portuguese are any keener to be sued for large sums of money than anyone else. They are surely there to run a business not to be martyrs.

As for it 'never happening' we can't guess to what extent publishers exercise internal censorship in that they would not publish something that libels anyone (as opposed to just being controversial). You wouldn't hear of those.

Don't assume we don't understand the Portuguese though.

Whether that person should sue would surely be up to him. It would depend on whether he feels his reputation has suffered. In the UK, if he can't prove it has then no court would award him damages and he'd probably have to pay costs. (In actual fact, I'm not sure that a drawing would make as strong a case for libel as a photo!)

I'm sure the McCanns would LIKE certain things to go away, but only if they can be shown to be libellous can they expect this to happen.

JennyH said...

I'm really going now -- I too have a headache and I don't have flu. Probably eye strain! Or brain strain.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Jenny! Ok! LOL
I think the problem is that in the UK libel suits are very common. But they aren't here, Jenny. Not at all. And when they happen, settling out of court is not very common either.
I can't remember of any case regarding books, to be honest. But they are some regarding newspaper articles. And the amounts given are not exactly a fortune either. This is just not a happy sue country.
I agree with you regarding publishers. Which is why I found Mr Amaral's Publisher remarks interesting.
There are many people complaining about not having their books published. But not necause they are libellous. It's usually because they are carp writing! :-)
I'm pretty sure who they would like to go away! ;-)
I think the man should sue. It's not nice to be called 'ugly' by the whole of the UK pess. LOL
Hope your headache gets better soon.
xxxx

JennyH said...

I'm not sure being called ugly qualifies as damage to your reputation. I mean people who know you will already have an opinion on that. Imagine appearing in court and everyone stares at you to see how ugly you actually are!

I am sure you are right about Portugal not being a litigious country -- you should know. The UK is not anything like as litigation-mad as the US though. But no doubt we'll get there.

As for crap writing not being accepted for publication, authors can still self-publish can't they? LOL.

Now I am DEFINITELY having a break.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Jenny!
He can always say that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ;-)
I hope we here in Portugal never get there. We have more important problems to deal with.
LOL You're right! I had forgotten about that! LOL
Enjoy your break. I'll keep translating. :-)
xxxx

dylan said...

WOW ladies!!!

This blog has turned into a political/philosophical discussion arena for discerning, literary geniuses!:-))

Since it has all gone over my head, I would like to bring down the tone to my level and say: wot gr8 posts girlz innit ;-)

Seriously, I'm very impressed, and I don't think I could add anything. PH-H should take a leaf out of your "book", Lol!

xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
ROTFLMAO!!!!
In fact, I was just trying to convince JennyH I was almost as smart and coherent as she is. Did a lot of Googling and some phone calls. ;-)
Phew, now you're talking the kind of language I understand: "wot gr8 posts girlz innit"! LOL

PH-H should take a leaf out of your "book" Great one! LOL

xxxx

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

Hope you do not mind this long post. I never thought I would see the day I would read these posts on Sky re this case! There are more this is jsut some. If only the article did not say Disgraced.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-Police-Chief-Goncalo-Amaral-Vows-To-Fight-Legal-Action-From-Kate-and-Gerry-McCann/Article/200905315283465?lpos=UK_News_First_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15283465_Madeleine_McCann%3A_Police_Chief_Goncalo_Amaral_Vows_To_Fight_Legal_Action_From_Kate_and_Gerry_McCann

"Nor can we allow this blatant injustice to Madeleine, with its obvious risk of hindering our attempts to find her, to continue.

How on earth can Gerry McCann make this statement, alleging Amaral could interfere with the search for Madeleine, when Kate McCann refused to answer 48 questions at the beginning, when time was all important.????????

Let "The Truth of the Lie" be printed in this country. I'm sick of hearing what they have to say. They left the 3 children and yet they seem to be doing all the talking

Posted By :helen w Report This
If I want to read this book or watch this documentary I damn well will. I don't need the permission of two dodgy child neglectors thank you very much! And by the way, open call to the media, how about some balanced reporting on this case instead of the usual McDrivel. If you're too scared of being sued, don't report on it at all. The latest "pimple man suspect" took us into the realm of farce. Can't believe the media reported it with a straight face.
Posted By :Marni Report This
Mr Amaral is an ex-investigator with years of experience. People should be allowed to read his book and make up their own minds, based on all the available evidence. The truth should be allowed to flow freely.
Posted By :C.A. Daverdog Report This
Mr. Amarals documentation can be seen in the Internet and I am looking forward to reading it in Germany soon. It will be available on June 12th as I was told today.
Posted By :Marianne Report This
Is there any evidence that there was an abduction?
Posted By :suzanne Report This
yes thats one thing thats always puzzled me how do they know it was abduction a place like that that child could have wondered any where hundreds of pools in the area and the sea ,but why if you are inocent not answer the 48 questions and go back and do the police reconstruction,why not let us read mr amarals book and watch the video all other countrys have
Posted By :mary Report This
The Daily Mail online reported this one evening, but the article appeared to have been removed without trace by the following morning. I wonder why. Well done Sky for keeping it.
I expected to learn lots of facts after the documentation of the case entered the public domain, but all we got were the questions Mrs McC refused to answer. I wonder why.

Perhaps Mr Amaral has corroborated facts in his book which we don't know about - I wouldn't expect it to be a book based just on his hunch. Mrs McC explained the sniffer dogs of death reacting to her clothing by claiming she had been with several deceased people shortly before her holiday. That must have been checked out, as well as the type of clothing she wore to work, so - was it true? Mr. Amaral knows, so if no-one else can/will give us the facts we should be able to read his book!

Posted By: Brenda WaddingtonReport This
Insp. Goncalo Amaral seems a diligent police officer who was taken off the case and is trying to get to the truth. There has never been any evidence for an abduction. His documentary is well presented and should be seen by all but the McCanns want to stop people in the UK from seeing what conclusions the Portuguese Police came to. Whether his book is banned or not, it will be read in the UK when it is translated.
Posted By: whatsupdocReport This
I for one can't wait until Goncalo Amaral's book is published, either in Britain or the States. The McCann's threats of legal action only make me more determined to read it!!
Posted By: tayloReport This
WHY can't there be some sort of public enquiry with the case so many want to know what happened top little madeleine, so many donated money ..... Now we only get to read hear so see what the mc s want! who are they to decide? we have a right to see or read & find out the truth!

after all the mcs left those kids alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now its madeleine & the twins who is really paying the price !

Posted By: chrisReport This
WOW! A BIG THANK YOU SKY! At last , in these comments, I'm reading many of the things that have worried and puzzled me about this case, for the last two years!


I won't disclose my profession here but alarm bells rang right from the start with the McCanns' repeated version (like a McMantra - 'You WILL believe she was abducted'...You WILL believe she was abducted'...'you will believe....!) of what happened to Madeleine. They have many questions to answer and the truth will come out, thanks to Dr Amaral and his many LE colleagues regardless of the McCann & Mitchell brainwashing and whitewashing via a hitherto compliant British media.


GOOD START, SKY!

Posted By: RTReport This
Please stop blaming these poor parents! They do everything to find their little daughter. They have spent a lot of money and time. They made a mistake leaving the children alone and paid a high price for it. I am so happy that they are close to finding her and that Madeleine has been living with loving people who wanted a child to love in the area of Praia da Luz. The very experienced detective of the McCanns told it and I read about it in the British press.
Posted By: MarianneReport This
Those who wish to instill 'their' opinions on the masses always seem to resort to burning books.
amazing how the disgraced parents feel it is o.k. for books to be pulped/burned.

makes you wonder?

another comment that wont see the light of day.

Posted By: magsReport This
thank you sky for printing the comments that do not believe mr mrs mccanns version of events
Posted By: ukviewerReport This
aye folks..the mccanns are close to cracking now..especially HER!!keep her reeled in gerry..control what she can n cant say but dont try it on with the rest of us!!its a veeeeery thin veil which is protecting these people!! it must be frustrating sometimes for the cops,who knowing that certain individuals are guilty as sin,are unable to prosecute for lack of evidence!!!..i would argue that they went to portugal to make this happen so they could fly away from it!!the truth will come out..n not just about these highly suspect people but all who are protecting them too!!we're more concerned with discrediting the portugese police n taking the mcanns feelings into consideration!!once again a child was abducted/murdered with impunity and a morally twisted nation looked away!!disgusting...they make me sick!!theyve not done too badly out of all this eh??
Posted By: Presumin' EddReport This

Why 'disgraced' ex-cop Sky? Totally unnecessary prefix. Mr Amaral deserves respect. He has fought long and hard for justice for that little girl against seemingly insurmountable odds, and had to put up with both unjustified personal smears and smears against his home country and it's people. I for one hope that he achieves what he has set out to do
Posted By: getridofbrownReport This
Dear Sir, What gets me is as soon as the news broke out that Madeleine McCann had gone missing Gerry MaCann said one word that is Abuction. How did he know it was abuction, after all he said he was not there his wife found out the child had gone missing. What rings is has he tried to brain wash everybody in to thinging it was abuction. I've listerd to morst of his speaches and he picks his words very carefull. just a point no one will know what happened or will they, someone knows what happend.
Posted By: George Day Report This
Kate didn't answer 48 questions or do anything to help take away the suspicions of many, who, after all, find it very strange that parents, dr's at that, can leave 3 tiny children on their own several times to go and enjoy themselves with friends!
They can go after the press when they don't like the statements made about them, but the press have let them off lightly, as has the law.

It all seems to be about money to them and my thoughts are that Madeleine has been let down in the worst way possible and they go on compounding that.

Let Amaral have his say and let's have some fair reporting on the case. People aren't fools and and want to know why this case has caused so many unanswered questions

Posted By: helen wReport This

Who are the McCanns to say that anyone cannot read or view the theory of Dr Amaral the first lead investigation officer in this case? Why do they expect that only their version of events should be availabe and the public must believe them? The McCanns stated on UK tv that what Goncalo Amaral is saying is having a detrimental and negative effect on the search for their daughter. How is that possible when they state they have been left with the onus to find her? They are supposed to have their own ex detectives looking for her! How can anything Dr Amaral say, write or do have a negative and detrimental effect in their search for their child who they claim was abducted?
Posted By: LiaReport This
I believe Mr Amaral and look forward to reading his book the mccanns are the ones who should hide there head in shame leaving tiny children alone just to have fun with there friends,God Bless Madeleine and Mr Amaral.
Posted By: cherylyorkReport This
They did play a part in the abduction of Madeline because if they had never left the kids alone there would have been no abduction, simple really
Posted By: JimReport This

have been looking for Amarals book for a while when i learned that it has been blocked by the Mccanns from being published here ,the same as the documentary,who are they to tell us what we can and cannot read about this case.They soon did a documentary on channel four a few weeks ago,the more i look at the whole picture the more i feel uneasy at the power they and Clarence Mitchell wield.
Posted By: carol taylorReport This
Sylvia

In response to you post - 'why haven't the twins been put on the at risk register' - how do you know they haven't been??


As for your comments about Kate and Gerry making out they are good parents I really don't believe that is the truth.


Clearly - these two individuals made a indefensible error in leaving their children alone to dine out. I have never done this with my 3 and nor would I - however, surely anyone can see the pain of their mistake etched over their faces.


As for those of you who claim they haven't acted as they should in terms of body language etc - let me tell you this. My beloved dog was hit by a car and killed earlier this year. This dog was the love of my life - funny and very very loving and I loved him with all my heart. I was so entrenched in my grief I didn't cry for 11 days. I felt like my stomach and my heart had been ripped out. Yet - I appeared on the surface to be ok. I wasn't. My heart was broken but I carried on for the sake of my kids.

Posted By: TinaReport This
Saints gerry and kate are ultimately responsible for what happened to that poor little girl. Its called neglect and endangerment I believe.

they should be prosecuted


That wont bring her back. But neither will they I fear.


Why is our media so fearful of them ?


Posted By: johnbReport This

Why has Goncalo Amaral's documentary been screened in countries abroad but not in the UK? Are we being censored? I had to go to the trouble of seeing it on Youtube (with English narration by Frangendapenik). Good documentary.
Posted By: ErskineReport This
Reading media reports and witness statements Mr Amaral is correct in his beliefs that Maddie is dead. Do the McCanns think people are stupid/fools. Lies and taking Mr Amaral to court is just going to cause more dislike for the McCanns. Forensics/witnesses from the friends were all cover ups. Hope Mr Amaral will be successful in publishing his book. All the media on Maddie yet so many beautiful kids go missing and it does not get so much exposure.
Posted By: ACReport This
so do i
but for child neglect and abandonment

3 children under 3 left alone when they when out on the p**s

Posted By: KeithReport This

I think the mud-slinging should stop on both sides. Accusations and counter-accusations should not be voiced through unattributable comments by PR spokesmen or on cozy, biased chat-shows. Let's hear the whole story not just one half.

If Sr. Amaral has something to say - let him say it and let us hear it.


As for the gagging order - his book has been widely available throughout Europe for some time now. Banning it in the UK will only make people more curious as to its contents. I think the British public has been disrespected enough in recent days. If it's not libelous, we should be allowed to read it if we so wish.


Daizy.

Posted By: Daizy.Report This
The fact that he named the McCanns as arguido and was then taken off the case says it all really doesn't it?

For those who slavishly believe everything the McCanns say, stop and think for 5 minutes will you? Objectively, unemotionally and considering how all the facts fit together; or don't in this case...now...why do the facts NOT fit together?

Posted By: AlanReport This
It's odd how confident some posters are of Amaral's and the Portuguese authorities' shortcomings when they are only aware of the McCann's version of events as widely publicised by the British media. The official files (as made available to journalists and other interested parties by the Portuguese authorities) tell a different story.
Posted By: LilithReport This

I'm sick of being herded by the McCann machine. I had every sympathy with the McCanns and still pray that their daughter will be found but gagging orders are all a bit too much for my palate.The papers are terrified to ask questions for fear of being sued. Lets bring this out into the open. Enough is enough.
Posted By: MollycoddlesReport This
Why is it 'disgraced cop' and not 'disgraced parents'?

Isnt failing to protect ones child worse than failing to respect the UK police?


When is Sky going to start taking an even handed approach instead of this biased pro-McCann attitude?

Posted By: IanReport This
Another way to fund this lost cause, If you had nothing to do with her dissappearance then take the lie detector test, Or will this show up the real truth you are guilty from day one!!!!
Posted By: Marc from leedsReport

I think what is on everyone minds is one thing, and i think it should be answered by the police or social services, why haven,t kate and gerry been prosecuted for neglect!! A statement should be given to the reason why??Why haven,t the twins been put on 'at risk'register!!
That night onwards, they should of, they left 3 children on their own, and it proved with maddie missing, that they were irresponsible parents!! lets hope in the future, that these questions are to be answered!! Let them go to court, perhaps it will be then that the truth will!! I for one will be happy. Fed up with these people making out to be such good parents. We really need for all this to come out !!

take it to court kate and gerry, you will be making a lot of people happy, who want all this to come out into the open!

Posted By: sylviaReport This
"Christine on Sky wrote: 'He forgets that we saw him on TV eating and drinking whilst he was supposed to be out looking for a lost little girl.'

Anyway remind me again what the McCanns were doing when Madeleine went missing........


Posted By: CarolReport This
I hate senseless speculation , but this whole case was odd to say the least , Maybe this policeman should be heard , What harm can it do if there is nothing to hide. Lets not forget this missing child , The more you think about it , the stranger it gets.
Posted By: wendianneReport This

Bec: Interested to see that you'd put pride before your child's welfare - "every penny that I had would go on searching for my missing child before I started asking strangers for donations".
Posted By: MReport This
It makes no differance if Madeleine McCann is dead or alive, Jerry and Kate MacCann should be charged with child neglect, for leaving 3 babies alone in a room.
If it was anyone else but Doctors they would be in jail by now. I myself hopes she is alive, but history tells us that the longer this sort of thing goes on the less chance there is of any child being found alive, this is according to the FBI files.

Posted By: Mr John LewisReport This
Wow this Policeman must be very brave or must have some information he believes is so watertight and compelling to cast doubt on the McCanns.Amaral must have some information backing his book.Further if the books was just fabrication WHY are the McCanns so desperate to blog the publication.WHY not allow the book to be published and let it be ridiculed by the facts??

Amaral could be opening a can of worms here but is it can prove what happened to Maddy then let the Amaral speak!


Ian

Posted By: Ian MakhechaReport This

Mr Amaral deserves to have his say, the Mccann have controlled the british press for far to long, its about time the truth was finally told, but will the powers that be allow that to happen???? Full respect to Mr Amaral for standing up for what he believe's in.
Posted By: Mandy Report This
I am not in the UK, so am not privy to all the news, but from what I can see on this comment section is that everybody wants the Mc Canns prosecuted for child neglect. Yes, they did wrong. But prosecution will not bring Madelaine back. Now lets focus on the real issue. Is Madelaine dead or alive. If she's alive, the chances of finding her are real slim after 2 years. If she's dead, show me the body. Now, I suggest we hear the policeman's theory of what happened. this case is no longer sub-judicae.
Posted By: CherryReport This
I had been looking for Amarals book for a while,but have now learned that the Mccanns have had it stopped from being published here.Who are they to say what we can and cannot read?What are they scared of,?could it be they don't want the public to open their eyes and maybe start asking awkward questions.Hopefully by suing Amaral we will learn things that he perhaps knows that we haven't heard.More power to him i say.
Posted By: bob Taylor Report This

I see we are back to calling Sr Amaral "disgraced" again.
They want to stop him harming the search for Madeleine??? Really was he not doing that a year ago then? HIs book and his documentary have been read and seen across Europe, if they really wanted to stop it, they would have done so a year ago. How exactly does it hinder or stop their searching???? How does it stop them asking for a police force to search for their daughter??? Do they mean it is hindering their ability to entice the more gullible members of the public to part with their cash???? Lets see yesterday we are told on hearing that payouts are not to big in Portugal that money is not the main focus, but hey guess what? It appears they are suing in the civil courts not criminal were( yes you've guessed it the payouts are much bigger)??? Now perhaps waiting for a year of sales and promotions and Amaral can bank a few bucks makes more sense now???? Well I hope he does countersue, what was it Kate said about him ag

Posted By: JLReport This
Remember "tosh" from the Bill?
We now know where he is!


Seriously tough I do not see the point in saying this and that about the Mc Canns as I or any of you really know what happened so to make an opinion without the facts would make me an Idiot wouldnt it?

Lets just see. As the late great Bob Marley once said Time will tell

Posted By: tomReport This
I agree with the vast majority. There are so many questions.
Why do you only hear the parents side of the story, why do they sue anyone who disagrees with them, what about the dogs reaction in the flat. The press is now terrified of printing anything against this couple. The McCanns have stiffled any sort of free speech, yet there are so many experts who find it difficult to believe a complete stranger took Maddy from the flat.

Posted By: DIANE HUTCHINSONReport This

This former cop (if you could call him that) is trying to cover up the blunders that he and his team made when the little girl vanished.
They were a joke.

I don't think for one minute the family were behind the little girls disappearance.

Yes they made a mistajke and they know it even so, it doesn't help the situation for the little girl.

he and his team messed up the investigation because they were too busy sitting on their backsides and not taking the situation seriously.

Posted By: MarkReport This
i once believed and sympathised with them ,but now after learning the facts and scrutinising their actions throughout the case,i now believe that they and there friends to be guilty of a coverup.
Posted By: billReport This
3 things:

Peter Wright - Spycatcher

Jane Birkin/Serge Gainsbourg - Je T'aime

Jasper Carrott - Magic Roundabout


And more. I agree, - I think it's about time this book got officially banned....

Posted By: MaryReport This

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac.
Thank you. I've read most of them and still can't believe they are still there? Has the pink appendix been 'abducted'?
xxxx

Zodiac said...

Claudia,

Maybe he is hiding under his duvet quivering just in case he is on GA's list!

Cláudia said...

ROTFLMAO, Zodiac!

Niza said...

Hi Claudia, I like to say also that Pink Nasty Lunatic Old Grandma Blog must beware. Dr. Amaral said he is sueing the McCanns and others too. Maybe he sue them for all the nasties they say about him for so long. I hope so. Then we start mean nasty grandma blogger fund to help them get treatment.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Niza!
LOL!
;-)
xxxx

nancy said...

Hi Zodiac -

Thanks for all the blogs on Sky! Unbelievable they weren't whoosh clunked!! The vast majority who wrote in don't believe the McCann's story and they are right in saying that GA's book should be allowed to be published in the UK. Who has made the decision that it shouldn't be I wonder?

One person who suggested that the Sky News had reported about the disgraced cop, but didn't say the McCann's had been disgraced, which they certainly had for leaving their children alone, hit the spot.

Of course, it should also be remembered that their tapas pals left their children in the same situation and that should not be left out of the equation. The McCanns were the unlucky ones - if their story is to be believed that is.

nancy said...

Claudia -

About the supposed spotty voyeur seen looking at the McCann's apartment.

McCann Files reports tha one of the retired detectives now on the pay roll has said that there is a potential name for the suspect seen watching the apartment and this is the strongest link of enqiry for months. It is understood several people have come forward with a possible name and investigators are checking to see if the man identified had an alibi at the time of Madeleine's disappearance.

So many seedy suspicious looking characters looking and hanging around the McCann's apartment it seems. I think if any more are named the whole thing will be treated as the story of the little boy who kept crying 'wolf' was! In the end no one believed a word he said!

I bet the men with acne in PdeL are keeping behind closed doors until the coast is clear! LOL!

nancy said...

Dylan -

Don't put yourself down!

Your posts are always very readable, intelligent, well thought out and invariably have a touch of humour which cheers me up!

Keep 'em coming please.....



Nx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
The man in the sketch is identified in the files which weren't made public, according to what I've read. Identified and ruled out by the PJ. Which is why his name (and many others) haven't been released publicly - because it would be unfair to involve innocent people in this whole sorry mess.
If the McCann's story is to be believed, they were the unlucky ones. If it isn't, they were damn lucky!
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Zodiac - brilliant find :-) It is heartening to see that we are not in a minority!

Nancy - thank you, I'm blushing though as i don't deserve it!!
Also, re the acne, I hear sales of Clearasil have rocketed in Portugal since "ugly man" emerged ;-))))

Cláudia, I hope you have your broadband and phone bill covered under a bargain package ;-)

Off to bed now. Goodnight all & sleep well.

PS. Haven't 'seen' you recently, Zetta, hope all is well with you.

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!

Not really. But I'm setting up a fund! ;-)
Sleep tight!
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Good morning all,

Vee said this [about the lies programme] :

'The body language EXPERT just stated on tv......................'''there are situations were genuine people are genuinely telling the truth though..........one example is the mccanns.............clear to see that they are telling the truth, totally innocent, totally''...........

SO STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPES ANTIS AND SMOKE IT!!!!!'

Vee, it wasn't an expert who said this, it was a an ex Mirror reporter. If you have it recorded, go and watch it again :-)

Have a good day all, the sun is out here and I hope it stays :-)))

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
Are you sure it wasn't God who said it? ;-)
If Pee wants the opinion of a specialist, he can read what Spanish specialist José Cabrera said. :-)
Have a great day! :-)
xxxx

Zodiac said...

Hi Claudia and all,

Dylan - LOL @ V8!


From 3 A's a reply to Tony Bennet by: Gojira

TB:'A 'Mirror' journalist called Rod Chaytor was amongst those who explained these signs clearly, with reference to video clips of a number of proven liars in action.

As the programme progressed, I noted how almost every sign of lying mentioned in this one-hour documentary had been exhibited by one or both McCanns since Madeleine was first reported missing at around 10.00pm on Thursday 3 May 2007.

I was therefore dumbfounded when Chayter, right at the end of the programme, contrasted this succession of manipulative liars we had seen with the McCanns - who were, he said: "absolutley, clearly, innocent".

I was dumfounded, he made a fool of himself by saying "absolutely, clearly, innocent". It contradicted everything said previously'

Gojira: 'But look at the WAY he said it! Eyes lowered, head shaking side-to-side! Exactly what we had been told to watch for!

And to cap it all - it appeared to be completely unnecessary. Weren't we told that unnecessary details can illustrate an attempt to deceive?'

LOL! Thank goodness for smart people!

BULLSEYE!!!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac!
That's hilarious! :-)
The shoemaker's son always goes barefoot, right? :-)
Work's waiting!
xxxx

Zodiac said...

Oops!

BULLSEYE!!!

end of post by Gojira.


LOL! Thank goodness for smart people!

nancy said...

Hi everyone -

Goncalo mention he may be suing other people besides the McCanns.

I wonder if he has Rosiepops on his list whose book "Madeleine, Investigation, Incompetence or Corruption" has managed to get published without interference. So the McCanns must have approved of it!

Bearing in mind the disgusting insults GA has had to put up with from that revolting blog, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they are on the list!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Who knows...?
Gooooing!
xxxx

JennyH said...

Hi Nancy

The Forum authors did not 'manage to get their book published'. It was not submitted to a publisher at all, but self-published, an option open to anyone via certain entities specialising in what is also known for obvious reasons as 'vanity publishing'. The only 'interference' they would be likely to experience would be a libel suit. They and they alone are responsible for the content and any libellous material in it. Hiding behind anonymity won't help.

JennyH said...

Nancy -- I would be very surprised if the McCanns knew about the book, as it would be a major own goal.

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

Zodiac, that is so funny! I thought the same myself. A totally pointless ending to what was otherwise a perfectly good programme! There is a a whole thread on the 3as I notice and a very good clip of Kate doing the double shoulder hunch thing! Somebody said that they couldn't align the McCanns with the body language as they haven't been found guilty, so to speak and that the programme deliberatley threw that in to put the thought in people's minds. I read a link to another blog given that was purely reactionanry to Ch4 viewings and other TV shows etc. and the overwhleming majority were no thrown by that last, utterly stupid comment!!! I'll post a link later if I can find it again. It is worth a read :-)

Nancy, I bet GA won't overlook that dubious "book" by PH-H et al, nor the childish remarks on the blog. I mean, how many times have they called him a "wife beater"? Unsubstantiated and nasty, IMO.

BBL

Dylan xxx

Niza said...

If I that Rosiepops I start get scared. She and the other two nasty gradmas sure on list. They say many false things, lies and calluniate Dr Amaral many many times. I want to see if they now continue or if calm their dialogue.

Cláudia said...

Hello, my dear friends!
Just got home. Promise I'll reply to your posts and e-mails as soon as I feed the people I have here. Football night...
See you later!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Zodiac said...

'I wonder if he has Rosiepops on his list whose book "Madeleine, Investigation, Incompetence or Corruption" has managed to get published without interference. So the McCanns must have approved of it!'

Nancy their hypocrisy is incredible! Imo the Mockumentary, interviews thus far (and not forgeting in the past int's on tape) and now this book that nobody has written are all big mistakes for them. The difference is this/these non entity author/s will leave a trace unlike The alleged Phantom Abductor of PdL on the 3/5/07! I wonder if the Phantom Abductor of PdL will be publishing a book sometime soon? If the PH-H can do it, as they seem to believe, without anyone knowing who they are. Why can't he?

Zodiac said...

'Hiding behind anonymity won't help.'

JennyH interesting times ahead.

Claudia,

I started to read that thread today I did not see the programme. I look forward to seeing the link you post.

BBL

Cláudia said...

Hi, JennyH!
'Vanity publishing' LOL Brilliant. I would add 'cowardly publishing'. :-)
Anonymity? There's no such thing! ;-)
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
He's aware of all of it.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Niza.
Their reaction in the present is irrelevant.
Beijinhos para ti!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac!
Loved the idea of the book by the phantom abductor! PMSL!
What link? Saorry, I'm tired!
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Hi Cláudia,

I hope you are feeling better now, enough to enjoy a well deserved night of footie :-)

Here's the link (provided by constant_dieter from 3as):

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=32509710

Off to bed now. Sweet dreams all.

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
Feeling great, thanks. Just tired.
Thank you for the link.
Sleep tight!
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Zodiac,

The programme link is also on the 3as in the Thread entitled: "Tears, Lies and videotape".

Several posters have provided a link. The one I have given, above, is for the comments the programme received. Interesting because it demonstrates that with all of the media manipulation, most folks don't believe in the McCanns anymore.

Really off up the wooden hill now.

Night,

Dylan xxx

Zodiac said...

Hi Claudia and all,

Dylan thanks for the info about Tears, Lies and Videotape.

I have just watch Tears, Lies and Videotape and imo there was no need for the McC's to be mentioned in that programme at all. All the people involved in this programme were charged with their crimes and this programme showed these experts looking back on the footage of the past. Well imo the McC's are part of a case that can be reopened at any time and if they then find themselves being held accountable for anything that happened whilst on holiday (whatever that may be) in May 07 and end up like the people we have viewed in this programme then there will be lots of footage to look back on and discuss in a programme solely about them. The Bloggers have been doing it for 2 years! I read recently that GA said the McC's documentary if the case is reopened will be become a document of the case. Well, well, well imo silly people! Hopefully the This Morning Show of 18/05/09 will be used also, that smirk imo is quite disgusting given that GMcC was there to discuss his missing child. I think a side by side show of stills from Karen Matthews in that programme along side KMcC and GMcC pics would be very enlightening. I just wish I had the IT skills to do it myself! I cannot believe the British Professor comparing KM and KMcC regarding the soft toy. Imo it is glaring obvious that CC was a prop! If there is ever a prog re the McC's then imo this Professor cannot be use in the programme because quite simply I do not know how he could possibly say what he said in Tears, Lies and Videotape! I noticed (please correct me if I am wrong) Professor Paul Ekman the Criminal Body Language expert in the world, did not comment on the McC's and Richard Edwards made no comment either. Respect to both of them. Imo the other journalist at the end saying what he said was an absolute disgrace it contradicted everything he had said previously in the programme and just smacked of the mcsycophantic mcmanipulation of the Press/Media and I would not be surprised if it was added at the end because imo they obviously keep up with the blogs and have read how idiotic it was to have a McMockumentary and then the same company having the above mentioned programme. I know exactly what I think of Mentorn Media, I formed my opinion when I saw the 2 hour borefest bilge they produced last year! Imo it is a shame that McC's tarnished this programme because if there had been no mention of the McC's then the programme on it's own was quite good. Now whenever I hear or read Mentorn Media I will just think Mc Media!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac!
If one day the case is re-opened, EVERYTHING may be helpful.
xxxx

Zodiac said...

'EVERYTHING may be helpful.'

Yes Claudia and not unhelpful, hurtful and ludricrous as some suggest!

BBFN
xxx

Cláudia said...

LOL, Zodiac!
xxxx

Zetta said...

Nancy, I think if the McCanns approved of the Ph-H's book, then they would be advertising it in their online shop.

Zetta said...

Hiya Dylan

Everything is fine, thanks! Just lots to do and now it is warmer. I'm not in front of the computer as much!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta.
McCanns and online shop on the same sentence always makes me shiver.
xxxx

JennyH said...

Zetta ... I don't think the McCanns saw hide or hair of it, quite honestly. Though they may have seen it now.

Cláudia said...

Hi, JennyH!
Can you imagine the shock? :-)
xxxx

Anonymous said...

PMSL guys!

Zodiac, my thoughts too although I couldn't articulate them as well as you have done :-)

Zetta, glad all is well. I'm off out to do some fardening (hi Hope :-)) myself and enjoy the sunshine. Just hoping the big black cloud looming doesn't open its contents upon me in the meantime!!

BBL Dylan xxx

Anonymous said...

I see him standing there.... from the show The Phantom abductor of PDL

Soda said...

Hello All Hapless Hope here Fardening sounds good Dyl x I dont know what has happend but Google has changed my name to Soda??? But it is me hope4truth...

God knows who told the McCann's to sue but I am so glad they did maybe we will see them in court at last to explain why their daughter was not worth searching for the night she went missing and only worth 13% of the total spent searching for???

I am sick to death of their lies even Oprah and then their Mockumentry had the abductor in diffrent clothes. I would not be surprised if this is all done on purpose now to show the world they cant be sure what they are on about.

When did a child become less important than the parents who neglected her to drink in a bar with their friends???

Baby Peter's Mother gets sentenced today she has written a letter to the judge to tell him she is sorry and crys every day??? Well she should think herself lucky she is not in agony every day and scared to death of what the next sick B*stard will do to her like her poor child was.... Crying every day was the least of that poor childs worries...

No doubt she will be free in a few years and it will be against her human rights not to be allowed to have another child and have her name changed to enable her to have a happy life...

Kate and Gerry have stamped on the people of Portugal and anyone who ever doubted that they were not parent of the year material...

But worse they have stamped all over their daughter by not searching for her the night she went missing refusing to answer questions and spinning this so fast there is not a hope anyone could ever find her. I cant belive they are so evil they would do this if they knew she had really been taken so conclude they are only doing it to cover themselves...

I so hope Goncalo has something up his sleeve that is not in his book that they will not be able to spin their way out of it...

xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Hope. :-)
Great to read you!
xxxx

bath theory said...

Claudia

In terms of 'ugly spotty man' do you think Mr. Spotty could really have freckles and the hair could be red ?

Cláudia said...

Ha, Bath Theory.
Sorry, can't help you. Never met the Phantom Abductor. :-)
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Hi Hope :-)))

Great to "see" you! Fardening went well, cloud must have rained on somebody else for a change. I've planted loads of flowers and I can't wait for them all to bloom, although I've planted some that are already in flower.

Yes, I agree re baby Peter's mother. She doesn't deserve anything in life other than a dingy cell and gruel and water to live on. Life is such a miracle and we are so lucky to experience it. It is apalling that she could deprive her very own child of it and subject and condone such torture to the poor little mite for the short life that he had. I have no doubt that fellow inmates will 'deal' with the likes of her with their own special form of justice.

As for the McCanns, I can't even begin to imagine why they weren't out searching for her until they could search no more. I think that GA has an awful lot up his sleeve and that sueing him will be their biggest mistake. After all, he's more than a match for their intelligence and the Moku they made will be a part of their downfall. All in MHO of course!

Dylan xxx

Anonymous said...

Hi BT!

Some clever soul on 3as has put a pic of Vincent van Gough side by side with spotty, ugly man. Uncanny likeness ;-)

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
Brilliant! LOL
Gotta go! :-)
xxxx

Zodiac said...

DAILY TOO FAR!

Spotty Men Hunt Down Defectives!


All the suspects that K8 McC found hidden in the files that the PJ did nothing about come out of hiding to trail the Mc Defectives who recently arrived in Pt to hunt down Spottyman!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uVNh2Ap9CI

JennyH said...

Claudia -- when they read the book they probably thought 'with friends like these who needs enemies?'

JennyH said...

Hope -- may we call you Sodapops?

And Dylan -- in that picture is Spotty also minus an ear? It would help with ID.

nancy said...

Good article which is worth reading on McCann Files.

Paulo Sargento -

"Fallacies and more Fallacies or the antechamber a to Swan song?"

nancy said...

Two of Kate's comments that will not go away:

"There isn't a text book that tells you what to do when your child has been abducted"

and

"If Madeleine had hurt herself in the apartment why would that be our fault"


Will someone put her out of her misery and tell her please!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac!
ROTFLMAO!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Jenny!
Very likely! :-)
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
That second question is unbelievable...
xxxx

nancy said...

Hope -

How could Google change your name and avatar? I am intrigued! Do you think someone out there has lost the name Soda and are using your name? Very strange.

Nice to read you Hope.

I heard on the news that baby Peter's mother has apologised for the atrocity - she is due to be sentenced soon so I suppose she is trying to impress the Judge.

I hope they throw away the key!

Anonymous said...

Hi Jenny you have a point 'ear! Lol!

Nancy, thanks for the info, I'll have a look tomorrow as I'm too tired now. I cannot believe Kate ever asked that second question. I know I've seen it quoted somewhere before, but surely not?? If it's not a forum myth, how in the hell did she ever pass her medicine exams?

Zodiac, PMSL :D

Good night all, sweet dreams and sleep well.

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Sleep tight, Dylan.
Will be going soon too. Have an early start tomorrow!
xxxx

Pericles Pinto said...

Check the Daily Mail of today (19.May)
New Maddie McCann suspect: Police hunt British paedophile living an hour's drive from Praia da Luz

Here is the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1186214/New-Maddie-McCann-suspect-Police-hunt-British-paedophile-living-hours-drive-Praia-da-Luz.html

By the way, I already posted a comment over there.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Péricles.
Thanks. I have already read that crap. I give it as much importance as the rest of the crap coming from the Team.
But thanks for the link.

Cláudia said...

Anónimo(a), para ser honesta, acho pouco provável. Mas com esta gente...

Anonymous said...

Hi Pericles,

See Zodiac's youtube link from 7.44pm yesterday! With each new description or photo that is released, it is looking very much like throngs of people that you'll see on it, that were somehow involved in Maddie's abduction. I'm no Einstein, but I can work out that that many dubious looking charcters all loitering in the quiet PdL, would have drawn more than a tad of attention to themselves ;-) I wonder if anybody has checked the log book for the seminar room on the complex to see if there was a paedophile convention booked?!

Cláudia, one of the comments were: "Here we go again." Yep, sick of it all, completely!

Have a good day all.

Dylan xxx

nancy said...

Hi Claudia and everyone - lovely weather here today! Fingers crossed.

Well if Hewlett is the one then he has certainly aged a whole lot since spotted by JT!! Also what's happened to his spots?

He told a reporter that he didn't believe that Madeleine was kidnapped or killed!! He's obviously been following the case closely then.

I loathe paedophiles and all they stand for and it begs the question why he is on the loose anyway with his disgusting record.

And why have his six children not been put in custody - who knows what they have been going through with the monster.

The pink one has been on television twice this morning already. Nice little earner for him and his dummies with all their appearances! And they complain about GA earning money from his book and documentary!

Gerry has made a new statement - it's on the McCann Files. It seems they made a killing lately at a local fund for Madeleine and it was a FUN DAY!!

Says it all really!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
My feelings exactly!
In a hurry!
Have a great day!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
I read hat! Fun day = money!
The suspect has been through a huge makeover. But for the worse. He aged around 30 years and became British. Not easy to accomplish that!
Gotta go!
Have a nice day!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Anon, thanks!

Zodiac said...

Hi Claudia and all

I read the article on 3 A's about the recent developments regarding their missing child. Imo how much lower can they go. Vomit icon! Roll on 2pm today!

'Gerry has made a new statement - it's on the McCann Files. It seems they made a killing lately at a local fund for Madeleine and it was a FUN DAY!!'

Nancy looks like he missed out a D in that last sentence!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac!
"Nancy looks like he missed out a D in that last sentence!":-)

Soda said...

Hi Nancy

My e mail address begins with soda so not sure if when I first signed up with Google blogger it picked it up and I changed it???

I dont think anyone else is posting under my Hope4truth if they are I hope they can spell better than me???

Oh just noticed my Avatar has changed it is one I used once (it is still my hero Angel)LOL

Hope you are well...

All I can say about the peadophile the McCanns say is a suspect is fancy the UK Police loosing track of the scum bag and inflicting him on a lovely country like Portugal what are our police like hey???

xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Don't worry. We know it's you.
xxxx

nancy said...

Hi Hope,

Thanks for clearing that up! We all know that Soda is you now so that's the main thing.

Yes, it beggars belief that this fiend who has attacked so many children is free and not in prison where he so belongs!

But nothing surprises me with the justice system in this country. I just heard that little Peter's mother has been given a lenient sentence for ill treating her son and allowing her live in lover to treat him like a puunch bag. The Social Services let this poor mite down so badly! Plenty of shouting outside the court - people were furious at the light sentences.

Thanks I am well, and I hope you and yours are the same Hope.



Nx

nancy said...

Hi Zodiac,

Yes, you are right - Fund Day indeed!

Claudia -

I think Zodiac meant Gerry LOL!!

nancy said...

According to one of our most rubbishy tabloids (Daily Star):

Mr Edgar (the retired detective looking for Madeleine) believes that Madeleine could be hidden in a peasant village close to the Algarve, not far from PdeLuz where she was snatched!

Mr Edgar - what are you trying to tell us here?

nancy said...

Apparently Tesco is selling Rosiepop's book - it has been published by Author House.

What a coward she must be to put a book on sale with no name of the author shown.

At least Goncalo Amaral had the guts to put his money where their mouth is and put a name to his book.

And the same goes for Tony Bennett.

Hats off to them both!!

What a waste of trees!

JennyH said...

Nancy, I think the boyfriend of Baby P's mother got life -- which should mean what it says, but rarely does. I assume the court felt that she was under his thumb. Who knows?

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
I know Zodiac meant Gerry! That's why it was funny! LOL
xxxx

Cláudia said...

What happens when you have to work on Friday and you don't?
You work on Saturday when you weren't supposed too. Nice!

nancy said...

Hi Jenny

I believe a mother should protect her child over and above her own safety.

If someone harmed a hair of my child's head, I would protect them with my life.

This woman failed in her duty as a mother and so her child died after a long period of callous treatment.
There is no excuse in the world for what she allowed to happen to Peter.

Life should mean life in such cases because children are the most vulnerable in society and must be protected at all costs.

JennyH said...

Hi Nancy

So true what you say with respect to Baby Peter. Horrific people.

About the book: as I mentioned, Authorhouse is not a normal publisher -- you don't submit the book for approval or acceptance, or get paid a fee. It is a vehicle where you foot the bill for a facility to publish whatever you want. Usually when there is no chance that a publisher will take it on.

Cláudia said...

Hi, JennyH!
Getting ready to go to bed.
What were the sentences in that case? Haven't googled it and feel too tired and lazy to do it. :-)
So now I know I can publish my poems from when I was in the 4th grade. Pretty good stuff. :-)
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Ok, fought my own laziness and googled it but was a bit confused. Will read it better in the morning!
xxxx

mandarinn said...

Hi Claudia!
Who is the cute baby in your avatar? I am sure it is lovely BABY SARA, isn t she?
bjs

Cláudia said...

Olá, Rapariga! Já temos uma thread nova. Esta é a antiga. Estava a ver que não te encontrava. :-)
Sim, é a minha futura afilhada Sara! :-)
Beijos!