Friday, April 24, 2009

Please, help!




"Elena Zhagrova (38) is just one of the many cases that Louise Minchin (BBC Breakfast) and Rav Wilding (former Metropolitan Police Detective and Crimewatch presenter) will be appealing for information about.

In May 2008, after texting her boyfriend Charles to say she was fine, Elena disappeared. She was last seen at Highgate Underground Station, and has not been seen since. Charles has kept the last phone message she left for him a few days before her final text, saying she would call him later."

47 comments:

Anonymous said...

Muitissimo obrigado
Beijos
Paula

Cláudia said...

De nada, Paula!
Sempre às ordens!
beijinhos!

Anonymous said...

So sad. She looks like such a loving woman too. I hate to say it but because she texted her boyfriend and called him before she disappeared (a sign that she was not planning to run away), I fear that something horrible happened to her. I hope I'm wrong and that she is happy somewhere in her anonymity and is living the life that she wanted. Poor Charles may never know, but he at least clung on to her voice mail, unlike Kate who washed her eldest daughter's supposedly favourite toy that still held her smell. I still have my son's New Year message on my phone. I know I can't keep it forever but i can't bring myself to delete it. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

I agree with you, Dylan. I'm not optimistic either, but you never know.
I have a mobile which stores lots of texts. I chose it exactly because there are words people wrote to me that I don't want to let go. I currently have 1315 text messages stored. :-)
xxxx

nancy said...

Hi Claudia and Dylan

I saw the appeal for Elena on the last Crimewatch. How terrible for her family and boy friend.

The poor lady has been missing for such a long time now that I doubt she will turn up alive, although there are cases of where people lose their memory and are found years after, so her boy friend and family shouldn't give up hope.

The McCanns tell the world that Maddie is still alive, but that is what they want the world to believe so people will continue donating money to their fund.

As Gerry said so famously - "find the body and prove it" - Very paternal words to say of your missing, thought to be abducted, young daughter!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy.
I can only hope Elena is alive, but it's not likely.

The fund would only make sense if Madeleine was alive. Which explains a lot, IMO.
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Good morning all!

Cláudia - that's a hell of a lot of texts to save! I don't blame you though and you sound as sentimental as I do! I have a forest' worth of scribblings and drawings by my kids that I feel if I throw them away, it would be like cutting the umbilical all over again. I must make some scrapbooks someday!

Nancy: "As Gerry said so famously - "find the body and prove it" - Very paternal words to say of your missing, thought to be abducted, young daughter!"

Well said and hmmm...indeed! The "body" bit is very dispassionate and an odd turn of phrase to use for somebody you love. Is it any wonder these two have been the subjects of such doubt?
Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
Yes, I am. I keep everything people gave me, wrote to me or texted me that I feel are important.

They never sound paternal/maternal at all!
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Cláudia, there's nothing wrong with being sentimental at all. Rather that than cold and uncaring :-)

On that subject, made two lovely new friends today. They know who they are and I'd like to say thanks to them :-)))

Have a good eve and don't work too hard, Cláudia. Take a break.

Dylan xxx

nancy said...

Daily Mail's Amanda Platell writes in her column today:

MCCANNS MUST TREAD CAREFULLY!

With their Maddie Fund running out of cash and Kate and Gerry McCann's vow never to rest until they find their daughter,it's difficult to blame them for agreeing to their first chat show appearance, on the Oprah Winfrey show.

Two years since their little girl disappeared, the interview will be shown in 144 countries and will accompany a picture of how Maddie would look now.

I pray it produces results. I also pray that, having been the star attractions in a media circus, the couple are not going to join the 'celebrity guest' carousel.

----------------------------------

Where have you been Amanda? They joined that immediately Maddie went missing!

Still at last someone from the newspaper has at last had the temerity to give them some advice. She'll have Clarence after her if she's not careful and will be 'whoosh clunked' from the Daily Wail!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan! :-)
I agree, of course!
I'm glad you amde two more friends today. Friends are one of the most important things in life. :-)
I won't! :-) Thanks!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Amanda's been very naughty. I guess she must be reminded of what she can and can't say! ;-)
xxxx

Zetta said...

Cláudia, no chance of the pogo stick now. Dylan has other friends!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
I'm thinking about hiring a hitman! LOL
xxxx

Zetta said...

I found this apparently written by Elena's boyfriend.Someone asked him if he thought someone had kidnapped her or hurt her.

Re: Elena Zhagorova
charlie on Thu 02 Apr 2009, 2:35 pm


No I don't.

When I met her she'd been suffering a severe depression partly caused by her job and lack of self esteem and lack of self belief.

We started to have a relationship just after Christmas 2007 and she became really happy and positive. She turned into this amazing positive -funny clever woman. We had wonderful times.

But she was under pressure to return to work and its when she returned to her job in May 2008 that the depression returned with a vengeance.

She was scared, lost and desperate. I was trying everything I could to help but it was all too much for her. She just went to such a low place.

So it has to be either suicide (and without a body we can't confirm that) or she just had to leave and start again -or maybe had a complete breakdown.

Sadly the health services were not there for her in her hour of need. They just wanted her off their books and back at work.
Sometimes they forget they're delaing with human beings I feel.

But it's a thing that just haunts you - the lack of knowing.
I feel just so much sympathy and understanding for the other people who have lost their lovers or their famillies or indeed their children as the McCanns. Its just an endless torture...
http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/missing-adults-f47/elena-zhagorova-t1691.htm

Zetta said...

I'll pay half, Cláudia!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
I've been told by the person who asked me to mention Elene on this blog that those were the two possibilities Elena's boyfriend thought were most likely. And I agree.
It's just so sad that people have to feel that way. I have to confess I can't imagine how it must be like, because fortunately I don't have a tendency to suffer from depression. If she is no longer with us, than I hope her body is found so the people who love her get some closure. If she is alive and out there somewhere, I hope someone recognises her.

Cláudia said...

I think that's very generous of you, Zetta! :-)

Zetta said...

It must be awful to feel so low that your survival instinct is over-ridden.

I think it was Magnus Pike who was suffering from manic depression and who said he didn't dare stand near the railings on the ferry to Scandinavia, because he knew that at any point he could feel so low he would throw himself into the sea. That's got to be scary knowing you could be capable of doing that.

Zetta said...

It's not generous, Cláudia.That pogo stick should be MINE!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta.
It must be horrible.
We all feel down sometimes. But actually wanting to end it, must be horrible. I can't say I have an idea of how it must be like because I don't. I wake up smiling to the world and I only truly feel down when something bad happens to the people I love or to me. But I also know I'm very lucky. Apart from the losses we all have to experience in life (and fortunately I haven't had to deal with many yet), I have had a good life until now.

Cláudia said...

I think you're forgetting who's the Goddess here! ;-)
Off to watch some football. :-)
xxxx

Zetta said...

Off to watch some football. :-)Why? Is there nothing good on TV?

Beijinhos para ti!

Cláudia said...

Zetta, LOL!
And I'm paying to watch it!!!
Second half on!
Beijinhos para ti também!

Zetta said...

Paying to watch football? Have you lost it?

Cláudia said...

Probably yes!
I subscribe to a Portuguese cable sports channer. I am able to watch English football, Italian football, Spanish football, German football and French football. I don't watch much German and French football, though. Not my style. :-) Today I watched Manchester United 5 - 2 Tottenham. What a great game! Two goals by Cristiano Ronaldo! :-)
I bet now you're depressed...

JennyH said...

The Germans and French kick balls differently? Something new to learn every minute.

I suppose the Germans kick them methodically, the French stylishly, the Brits drunkenly and all the southern European countries emotionally?

Cláudia said...

JennyH, ROTFLMAO!!!
I don't like German football that much. And I was born there! :-) They have won the World Cup three times, I know, but I think currently their football isn't what it used to be. More defensive. I refuse to watch French football because they allways kick Portugal out of competitions. With penalties! :-(

JennyH said...

I do sympathise Claudia. After all, while Portugal is our oldest ally, France is our oldest enemy LOL!

Cláudia said...

Jenny, PMSL!
That was a good one! :-)

Anonymous said...

PMSL! I will catch up in the morning!


goodnight ladies. Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Sleep tight, Dylan! :-)
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Good morning all :-)

Depression is a horrible thing. It's like being in a tunnel that you can't escape from. You lose all sense of hope and reasoning. Mine started when I was in my late teens. I has no idea it was depression and I was scared and confused. It went away with natural endorphins, thankfully, but It came back with a vengence of the post-natal variety of it.

I think about ending my life a lot when I'm at my worst, but my doctor is confident that will never happen because I told her I couldn't do that to my children. Because of how I am at the moment, I cling to things that make me happy and plunge into the depths of despair when tiny, silly things go wrong; things that 'normal' people would find easy to cope with.
This is why I'd be very suprised if Elena took her own life. She was on the mend, so to speak, and was in a loving relationship. Suicide is a last resort and I would say it's something that would only happen if the mind thinks there are no other alternatives. For that reason, I think she may have just run off in denial of her old life and found herself a new one. Whenever I have those dark thoughts, the first thing I think of is to run away from them.

Sorry to be so frank, but I think it is worth having an opinion from somebody who has actually 'been there'.

The footie comments - ROTFLMAO! JennyH - your styles of kicking the ball - pure genius!

No need to hire a hit-man girls, the pogo is in the post with a brown envelope too as a bribe! ;-)

Cláudia, born in Germany eh? My son was born there too. He's 18 in September, and, so long as I have the money, I know where I'm taking him for it! I spent two years there and speak a bit of German. I found the people to be lovely and very welcoming.

Have a lovely day folks,

Dylan xxx

nancy said...

Good morning everyone - sunny here this morning, but a bit chilly still.

I really hope they find Elena - depression is worse than a physical illness in my opinion. I have been there, and I know Dylan has. Mine started when I lost my parents. When terrible things happen to your family it can be so difficult to stay on top of things, even if you have a loving family around you.

I shall watch the next Crimewatch to see if there is any news on Elena.

Have an enjoyable Sunday everyone.

helmylin2 said...

Hi Cláudia,

Download your text messages to your computer and save them to disc or someother storage. :-)

Have had some sort of NASTY virus not flu but felt like it. didn't eat for three days. Know I'm on the road to recovery as I got up in the middle of the night and fixed eggs and chips!

Will read back over the posts in a little while.

L.
xxx

Zodiac said...

Elena Zhagrova where ever you are I wish you clarity of mind to be able to contact your loved ones to let them know where you are and hopefully clarity of mind to allow them to come and bring you home.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
Thank you for explaining to us how horrible it must be.
Being so aware of it, has to be a good thing. And I'm sure you'll kick it's ass. :-)

I lived there till I was five. But I can't say I miss it much. I miss some people but I havi no special emotional connection to the country. My parents do, of course.

Wow, pogo stick AND a brown envelope! :-)
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy.
I completely understand how losing your parents could trigger depression.
I also hope they find Elena.
Enjoy your Sunday!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Helmy!
I'm sorry about the nasty virus. But you seem to be on the mend. Eggs and chips in the middle of the night after 3 days without eating sounds like recovery to me! :-)
I'll try to follow your advice regarding the text messages! :-)
Have a great day!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac!
Amen to that!
xxxx

JennyH said...

Dylan and any other depressives. I also had bad depression many years ago. It can happen as a reaction to previous stresses and not what is currently going on in your life. This makes it frightening as well as awful, as you can see no reason for it. It can cause panic attacks too -- another delightful experience. You do feel suicidal but if you have plenty of loving support you get over it -- at least I did, but it was a long slog. It was at a time when I had everything going for me too.

It can also be genetic.

It's almost impossible to describe to people who haven't had it. They think it is just a 'down' mood or something you can 'snap out of'. You can't; it's like being under a steamroller and the world loses its colour.

I dealt with later recurrences by learning to recognise it and rolling with the punches instead of fighting it. I told myself it was a trough of a wave and that I would eventually rise up out of it again, whether I did anything or not. It seemed to work.

Cláudia said...

Hi, JennyH.
I'm close to someone who has also suffered from depression. Although I've done my best to offer help and support, I know I know nothing about it because I haven't been there.
I'm glad you found a way to deal with it. Many people do.
xxxx

dylan said...

Hi all,

Helmy, glad you are feeling better :-)

Zodiac, I hope the same for Elena. I don't watch crimewatch but I'm sure those of you that do will let us know if there are any leads.

Nancy and JennyH, it is a horrible thing to go through and I'm very glad you're both better. Jenny, you mentioned panic attacks - that's what I get and I hate them. It makes you feel like you can't breathe and I have to sit on the doorstep, whatever the weather to breathe in air. Mine are controlled now with a very old-fashioned anti depressant. I was given it at the time because it was the only drug I could safely take when breast-feeding. My doctor changed it as soon as I stopped but she gave me one which caused panic attacks as she forgot that I suffered from them!! I'm now back on my good old fashioned ones and I'm so used to them now that I know how much I need and when I'm ready to come off of them! I just go in and tell her I need 35mg in packs of 25 and 10 and she signs on the dotted line - Lol!

My friemd takles Temazipam. She calls them her "sweets"! She can't have them all of the time though as they're addicitve.

Cláudia, are your parents German? I often wonder how come your English is so spot-on, including the little nuances that only us silly Brits would know! For eg. you knew the word "dyke", lol!
Yes brown envelope too. I don't fancy the hitman ;-)

xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
No, my parents are Portugese. Both. and 100%. :-)
My English comes from school and TV. As for the word 'dyke', don't forget that the first thinks in a language that people learn, are the ones we should never use! LOL :-)
Off to watch Italian football. :-) All emotion!
xxxx

FSoares said...

Olá Cláudia,

Vou deixar este comentário em Português, (por motivos óbvios e sem usar o nome da pessoa em causa, porque quem de direito pode ficar chocado), mas eu estou convencida que ela desapareceu por sua livre e espontânea vontade. Eu tenho acompanhado o caso através dos factos que o namorado vai deixando, e, existe algo que me diz que ela andará por aí, mas decidiu ir embora, sem coragem para enfrentar factos e dar explicações.

Oxalá se descubra one ela pára.

Muitos beijinhos

FSoares

Cláudia said...

Olá, FSoares!
Espero bem que sim. Se for esse o caso, era bom que ela desse sinais de vida. Nem que fosse apenas para dizer que está bem mas quer que a deixem em paz.
Muitos beijinhos para ti!

Anonymous said...

and: " ....During the programme, Elena's flatmate Jenny will talk about the circumstances surrounding Elena's disappearance and the reasons she might have gone missing

The new series will run every morning between 9.15am and 10am until Friday 10 April on BBC

maria,como muitas.