Thursday, March 26, 2009

Something from the bottom of the heart



Thank you, Helmy, for sending me the video. Absolutely beautiful!



The following is a post by Astro I read on the 3 Arguidos. As I read it I felt it expressed everything I wanted to say, but so much better. This is how many thousands (if not more) of Portuguese people feel like. From the bottom of the heart, thank you Astro, for alloing me to post it here.


Unless you actually live in the region, like Sasha has so effectively described, I find it very difficult for anyone to fully understand the situation in which the people of Luz have been living for almost two years now.

The subject is sad, yet interesting at the same time, but it really would take a very long post to fully paint the picture of what Luz has been going through, since that fateful evening of the 3rd of May 2007.

The fact that there are people who actually trace ANY sort of connection/comparison between the locals' worry about their only source of income - tourism - and respect or consideration for Madeleine, is offensive, to say the least. Are these people supposed to sacrifice the survival of their entire families, in the name of some sort of curse that befell the village, on the 3rd of May 2007? Are these people expected to lay down their lives, because it would look indecorous to try to preserve one’s salary?

These people have done EVERYTHING that they could do, without anyone even asking them to do it; they took time off work, they gave their best efforts, their money, their hearts and souls to help find Madeleine. Anyone who thinks otherwise has either been fed a lot of misinformation by certain media, or is simply cruel beyond comprehension. People walked their feet until they were sore, searching a radius of 15 kms around the village. Those who couldn't physically help, offered food and drink to those who could, and to the policemen and fire fighters who were on location, day and night. Policemen slept in cars, when they slept at all; some were offered a few hours of sleep on a sofa in the locals' homes. The people in Luz cried, prayed and worried themselves sick over a little girl that they didn’t even know, as if it was their own daughter, niece or granddaughter.

Meanwhile, all over the country, people despaired. During those first days, there was criticism of the parents, it would be false to deny it, but the general sentiment was 'we have to find the little girl before anything else'. Finding Madeleine was the only thing that was on everyone's mind, not only in Luz, but all over the Algarve - all over Portugal, really, as many of the early 'sightings' across the country attest.

I think most of you are aware that I live in Portimão, some 30 kms away from Luz. I remember the helicopters flying over our house, on their way to Luz or returning from a day of searches. I remember the posters that were put up on every shop window, every bus stop, every train station, hospital waiting room, supermarket entrance… Thankfully, we never had to endure what Luz suffered, with the invasion of journalists from all over the world, in search for yet another ‘human angle’ story, for that special scope. We didn’t have to endure their raucous parties night after night, either – but that’s another story entirely.

But even 30 kms away from Luz, the worry was palpable, omnipresent, inescapable. Madeleine was the subject of every conversation, everywhere, at all times. This may seem somewhat surreal now, with the benefit of time distancing us from those times, even a bit exaggerated. But in May 2007, it seemed there was nothing that we weren’t prepared to do, even if that implied behaving in an exaggerated manner.

It was precisely this enormous nationwide effort, this extraordinarily intense commitment of people all over the country - an effort that had never been made for 'our' (fortunately few) missing children... – that made what followed that much harder to swallow.

It’s easy to blame the shift in people’s perspective about the case, on the leaks from the PJ, that were only too happily published by the Portuguese media. It’s easy to blame the McCanns’ fall from grace on Mr Amaral and his team (a team that included British policemen and British experts), or on human nature, because the ‘populace’ was envious of the McCanns’ money, fame, good looks.

But look again, please.

You will see a very different picture.

You will see the supposedly devastated, desperate parents, jogging, playing tennis, entertaining guests, posing for photographs, jetting all over Europe. You will see them smiling at the locals when the cameras were rolling – and not even saying ‘good morning’ when the employee from the Batista supermarket delivered their shopping at their apartment. You will see the British media, under the command of the McCanns’ spokespeople, ridiculing, insulting and humiliating the very same people who cried their eyes out for Madeleine.

And when the going got tough, instead of answering the police’s questions, they left Luz without a word. They turned their backs on those who had treated them like family, who had offered everything that they had, and then more.

Some will say that nobody asked the locals to do what they did. Others will say that the McCanns owed these people nothing, that they had to think about their missing daughter, about their remaining children. The McCanns had to protect their family.

Fair enough. God knows I’d protect my family with my life, if necessary; anyone can relate to such arguments.

But there cannot be two different standards just because it suits us.

The people of Luz are protecting their families as well. They have to earn a living, they have no fund to pay their mortgage when times are tough. They have no wealthy supporters, no famous sponsors. All that they have is their arms and legs to do their work, day in and day out, and that work just happens to be, for the vast majority at least, the tourist trade.

Even if for a moment, they put aside the insult, the arrogance, the humiliation that they suffered, they’d still be left with a very basic choice: a campaign of highly dubious success – or the need to restore the shattered image of their village as a safe, family friendly holiday destination.

Finally, just a thought about the proclaimed purpose of this campaign: the McCanns announce that they want to enlist the help of the people of Luz, to jog their memories, to collect any information they may have about the little girl, and the night that she disappeared – in the belief that a member of the population of Luz could have deliberately held information back from the police.

I think in English this is called 'adding to the insult'.

I’m sorry if this offends anyone, I definitely don’t condone the shredding of posters in this case; but if I ever come across one, I’ll quietly, calmly remove it and place it in the paper recycling bin. I don’t need posters to remind me of a little missing girl that didn’t deserve the destiny that befell her.

And neither do the people of Luz.

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nancy said...

HiClaudia -

What a very heartfelt and honest report about the naturally friendly child loving people of PdeLuz.

The McCanns should hang their heads in shame at the way they turned their backs on those hands held out in friendship and comraderie when they so needed them.

The PJ's and the people of PdeL spent more time looking for poor Maddie in one day than the McCanns have since she disappeared.

The Church was opened for them alone to use and the priest who attended them out of the goodness of his heart has been abandoned just like the people there.

I would not be at all surprised if the posters were thrown straight in the bin because the McCanns have done nothing to merit the cooperation of those who have been cold shouldered by them.

Two years ago they should have done what they are intent on campaigning for in Portugal now. To me it comes over as just an exercise to hide the truth of what happened to their daughter.

They have done nothing but insult the PJ's and Goncalo Amaral in particular, in spite of the time spent looking for Maddie, and they must have known that many of the policemen gave up their annual leave to look for her.

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SEARCHED SO LONG FOR HER IN PRAIA DE LUZ.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Thanks you for your kind words. I'm sorry my reply isn't more detailed, but I'm leaving to have dinner at my friends' place.
I think that the word that could be summarise their behaviour is ungratefulness. And where I leave people don't handle ungratefulness very well.
xxxx

nancy said...

Gina -

I hope your op goes well. Are you going to the private clinic in Benidorm for it?

By the way, about the PJ's not cordoning off the apartment straight away. If I remember rightly the McCanns and their pals were all gathered in the apartment right after Maddie went missing. They, being supposedly intelligent people, must have known they should have avoided stomping all over the apartment before the PJ's had carried out their DNA tests.

The fact that none of them wanted to return for the reconstruction of the crime just tells me they were worried about contradicting all their original statements and getting caught out.

If the McCanns had really wanted to help the case go forward they wouldn't have needed asking twice in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Hi Nancy,

I can only say that this, "JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHO SEARCHED SO LONG FOR HER IN PRAIA DE LUZ." that you posted, is perfect.

Some people have no heart at all for the people of PdL. The dark side have even suggested that Portugal is "paedophile heaven", and that it is Portugal's fault for harbouring so many of them. Can you believe that?! Some people ought to look at their own country; our child protection policies that have failed Baby P and many others, Sarah's Law and WHY that was introduced here, the Sun's naming and shaming appeal, drug addicts, prostitution, murders, stabbings, government corruption.....and so on!

Astro's post should be printed in our press, IMO, so that us 'perfect' Brits can see what we have done to the People of Portugal who tried so hard to help, and got a slating for their efforts. Mum and Rosie will no doubt call this racist, as they have already said, but I say it is they who are racist, bigoted, narrow-minded and they make it look as though they are members of the BNP. Just in case this can be construed as libel, I am saying that this is what it LOOKS like, not what IS!

Gina, thanks for your reply on the previous thread. I don't think you made any "dangerous comments at all. On the contrary, what you said was perfectly reasonable and logical & I'm glad to see it :-)

Dylan xxx

Anonymous said...

Thank you astro, for sharing this heartfelt report that I can´t agree more, i´m with you 100%.Also, thank you Claudia for highlighting this. I live in Lisbon area, but I have a house in Lagos where I usually spend weekends and holidays. Next weekend I will be there ,and if I see a single poster I will do the very same thing. I´ll take it off and put it in the recycle bin, because to me this is not just an insult to the Portuguese people but also to Madeleine. From the very high place where I believe she is, she, better than anyone else is very aware of this entire circus…!
Shame on her parents…

Tuga

Eme said...

Cláudia, gracias por mantener este blog.

Anonymous said...

Tuga & Eme,

I really hope you do not think that all of us here in the UK, in any way represent or condone the McCanns behaviour and that of our press and media.

Most of us are very frustrated that we are unable to speak the voice of the majority and for this reason, it no longer feels like a democracy here. There are very strange goings on and we just have to sit back and let it happen. At least Tony Bennett is trying to do something.

Rest assured, it is only a tiny minority that holds anything against Portugal, and those are usually the type of people that hate anything foreign, or are relatives and freinds of the McCanns and so they are making excuses. We call them the McApologists!

The only time I had anything against Portugal, is when they beat us at footie ;-)

Goodnight all,

Dyaln xxx

Anonymous said...

Nancy, Hi!

I think that your opinion as to why they didn't go back for the reconstruction is correct.

Really off to bed now. It's been a long day. Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan! Again! :-)
The problem isn't comparing numbers, Dylan. Every country has its problems. Although mine has problems too, I wouldn't live anywhere else in the world. I was born abroad, I have lived abroad, and I could have dual citizenship (can still request it) if I wanted. But I don't. The questions is that this sad case happened due to parental irresponsibility. Since whatever happened, happened, there has been an attempt to blame everything and everyone except the people who should have prevented it and didn't. The people from the Algarve are fed up. They can't take it anymore. They want to forget that damn group ever set foot in this country. They can talk about the tourism industry until the cows come home. We don't need tourists like that, who treat their children in a careless way and then blame everyone else. No place needs tourists like that. Do you imagine how many tourists would be needed to compensate the money Portuguese tax payers spent in the Madeleine case?
The Algarve wants peace. This campaign was one offense too many. Although I live 500 Km away, I suspected this would be the way people would react.
Astro's post comes from the heart and could only be written by someone living close to the area. I understand everything she talks about but would never be able to write it in such a heartfelt way.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Tuga!
Exactly. That was the word I was looking for. An insult. An insult too many. I have to confess that if I lived close to the Algarve I would probably not have the courage to take any posters down. But I would probably write on all the posters I could find some simple such as:
1 - Mummy, answer those 48 police questions.
2 - Daddy, come back for a reconstruction.
Poor child.
Beijinhos, Tuga!

Cláudia said...

Eme, gracias a ti e a muitos outros que não esquecem.
Besos!

Cláudia said...

Dylan, we know. There was some idiot, a long time ago, trying to make people understand it was a cultural thing. Nobody believed him. Nobody believes him.
I hope you forgive me, but it was great when we beat you at footie! :-) Both times felt great! ;-)
Boa noite!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Sorry! Skipped your post. It's probably because I agree with everything in it. :-) The fact that they refused the reconstruction is very telling.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Gina, also hope your operation goes well.

Anonymous said...

Rosie is a hypocrite said...

(Rosie wrote you and Luz a "delightful" post today, Cláudia. This is my reply to a part of it.)

In all honesty, I think you are a 2 cent whore, whoring off this sad and tragic story and using Madeleine to boost your own pathetic ineffectual position in your society.

Isnt this exactly what I have been calling you (without the whore bit) Rosie? This blog (J4) is sick.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Rosie is a hypocrite!
LOL I had missed that! Or is it recent?
It is always a pleasure to be insulted by racist and xenophobic convicted child killers lovers. I would be very, very worried and sickened if she was saying good things about me.
So that she doesn't have any doubts, if I didn't live 500 Km away from PdL, I wouldn't tear any posters. I would go to the trouble of writing in any I could find something along the lines:
1 - Answer the 48 police questions.
2 -Come back for the reconstruction.
But first I would contact all authorities to ask if permission had been asked and given. In this country, no one can put up posters without permission. If they do, refuse collectors take them down.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention!

Gina said...

hi all just back from having my op so having to type one finger, left hand, so no caps etc.

nancy, yes i went to the hospital levante in benidorm. i thoght i was in pain yesterday but now i know what pain really is now.

i actually came on here to say that i think that post by astro is very fair, and a good indication of the truth about what happened. i think people should now be allowed to decide for themselves if the want to bin further leaflets or not and whether they want more posters put up in luz. i just hope that whatever happens the media circus does not hit town again, the people of the town do not need a rerun of that.

it has taken me ages to type the above so until my hand is working again i guess i have been struck cyber dumb

nancy said...

Hi Claudia -

Rosiepops must be the most disliked blogger on the Maddie forums don't you think? Everyone seems to know just what game she is playing and how tartily she plays it! She is excellent at filling her pen with the most foul expletives and aiming them directly at people she feels are a liability to the furtherence of the McCann's and their repulsive spokesperson's schemes. They think they are hoodwinking the public, but you only have to read the replies to articles blogged by a huge number of the public who are obviously disenchanted with their goings on, to realise they must be getting very nervous - no wonder Kate is not keen on going back to Portugal - if she and Gerry were wholly innocent of Maddie's disappearnce, she would have no second thoughts on it.

While she is insulting people, it is because she is afraid of them - and she has reason to be - you could eat her for breakfast in an earnest debate about this case.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina!
I had no idea it would be so fast. Hope it works and hope you've been prescribed some good pain killers. I never take any medication unless I really have to. But when I'm in pain, I do it because I wasn'r born to suffer. I once broke my arm and it was probably the only time I took pain killers. Hope the operation worked.
I agree. Astro's post is beautiffully written and I think it expresses perfectly the way people think. If you check Portuguese online newspaper articles which talk about this campaign and about the Algarvian's reaction, you'lle see the type of comments I have never read in my life. I expected a bad reaction, but not like this. I also think it is up to the people of the Algarve. They do not have to put up with this. And it seems they know it now.
Hope you get better soon.

Cláudia said...

Nancy, Poops alone must have been responsible for hundreds of people suspecting the McCanns. Personally, I think she is one of her worst enemies. Of course she isn't aware of that and it's a good thing she isn't because it will make her continue.
I just think you shouldn't mention Poops and eat in the same sentence. It may cause food poisoning! :-)
It's a beautiful day here. Have to go out one of these days and take some pictures of Spring! :-)
Have a nice day!
xxxx

Gina said...

Claudia,today was a joke,and i can see the funny side of it now. a guy inserted a needle in my left hand and it was soooo painful then he went somewhere. i closed my eyes and tried not the think about it. they were fiddling about with my right wrist the suddenly i yelled "holy sh.t what the fu.k are you doing" they thought i was out cold, i wasn't, the guy who had gone had not yet knock me out. there was big panic, they had already cut into my wrist. i said just get on with it i will try not to scream too much. the surgeon said you brits are so polite. 5 people were in attendence and queens record radio ga ga was playing, so i started singing along and they all joined in. the op itself only takes 15 mins but it seemed like 15 hours to. just have 3 stitches. enough about me off for lay down as has to get up too early this morning.

Cláudia said...

Let me tell you this much, Gina: no one cutting into my wriste while I was wide awake would survive to tell the story! LOL
Hope you have some painkillers close by.

nancy said...

Hi Dylan,

Excellent posts from you as usual I love the term McApologists!! That just about describes their antics. Imagine they have the audacity to think the people of PdeL are going to welcome them back with open arms.

As you say, our police force are not exactly Colombos! What about this latest news with that rapist let loose for all those years raping all those innocent women and being let go on numerous occasions by the boys in blue! Yes, we really have a lot to be proud of in our cops, I don't think! They want to get their act together because I think the British public are fast losing patience with them and their blundering.

Have a good day!

Nx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Hadn't heard about the case of that rapist. Will try to search info on that. Hope he has now been caught and put where he belongs.
Well, I don't know how they would be received in the Algarve. But if they want to be sure, then they should go back. But not in secret. Announce it before.
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Hiya Nancy,

Your earlier post was spot-on! As for the rapist, perhaps we could send him to Portugal where he would be welcomed with open arms? ;-)

Claudia, some lovely Portuguese spring pics would be fab. I need a new screen saver :-))

Gina, you're incredibly brave! The closest I get to that is root canal surgery without anaesthetic as I'm phobic about dental anaesthesia since a previous dentist squirted it down my throat and I couldn't swallow. But cutting my hand open whilst awake? Noooo way! Well done you and may you make a swift recovery back to two-fingered typing ;-)) I'm only kidding!

Have a good eve all & take care

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
I know another place where he would probably be welcomed with open arms. The place where convicted child killers are 'innocent victim'. He might have to kill someone before, though.
I also had root canal treatment and my expereince was pretty good. Didn't feel anything. And only had a tiny bit of the numbing stuff. My body reacts very quickly to anaesthetics.
Just checked the weather and it sayd it's gonna get cloudy and colder. As soon as I talk about taking pictures... LOL
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Rosie is a hypocrite (aka Paul Rabbit) says...

Hi there Cláudia

I was amazed to see that the blog which "publishes all posts" didn't (yet again)! If Rosie actually posted all posts, then it would show a true picture of what people think of her and that would never do. :-)

Cláudia said...

Hi, Rosie is a hypocrite aka Paul Rabbit!
Only the idiots who post there and don't get to read the unpublished posts believe all posts are published. But hey, we all know that intelligence is not their best feature! :-)

nancy said...

Hi Dylan and Gina -

You two are giving me the eebie jeebies - root canal treatment without anaesthetic and a slashed wrist too - makes the blood run cold!

Good job they weren't giving you a caesarean Gina!! And it's a private clinic too!

Find yourself a good lawyer!!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Noone who did such a thing to me would walk away to tell the story! :-)
Have a great weekend! :-)
xxxx

nancy said...

Hi Claudia -

Just one post before I go out:

Last part of K&G's latest message:

"Can you imagine a little girl (or boy) out there, hoping and waiting to be found but for people to 'write them off', forget about them just because there has been no news? For that child never to be reunited with their family because everyone had given up on them? Just imagine......"

---------------------------------

Yes, I can imagine K&G.
I can imagine very well how terrified Madeleine was those nights you both went off to do your own thing without a thought to the safety of her and her twin siblings.

You are preaching to the converted!

Strange the bit about 'never' to be reunited with their family! I think that was what is called a Freudian slip there.

Also he seems to think that Maddie is 'findable'!

Rather like that wallet he lost on his way back to the UK that time - the time when he gave medical assistance to someone on the plane. Did that person ever come forward I wonder?

I never cease to be amazed at the strange things he comes out with - I wonder who writes his scripts!

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Have a good weekend everyone!


Nx

Cláudia said...

Nancy, hear, hear!!!
xxxx

Gina said...

I have just been reading a few blogs and find it so sad that just because a few people decided to remove some posters and a few portuguese made some bad comments a whole nation is being accused of being uncaring and unsympathic. I do not know if the amount of small children that go missing in Portugal is any less or greater than anywhere else in the world, but I certainly know, that once the kids reach an age when they can go off on their own accord, just as many, if not more have gone and are still unaccounted for in the UK. We cannot presume they were all abducted, and despite all efforts to trace them they have not been found.

If posters were allowed to be put up for every missing child and remain up for over two years no body would see anywhere as a safe place to go for their holidays, everywhere would be festooned with them.

Poor Madeleine did not deserve whatever happened to her, but likewise the McCanns child is no more precious than anyone elses and as I have said many times before, it is their OTT publicity campaigns that are the cause of a lot of this resentment. No harm in them searching for ever, as they said they would, they have enough backup and funds to do that, more than anyone else has ever had, so why not do like others and get on with it without having to tell the world what they are doing all the time.

Gina said...

Claudia, being on the fence has got me in hotwater on more than one occasion and I see if I continue to post much longer on either blog the same thing is going to happen again because I see things from both points of view although not able to entirely agree fully with either.

As you know I have attacked those who have made libellous comments against the McCanns saying opinion is one thing but to state things as fact without the facts is wrong.

Likewise I also feel it is libellous to say as fact that Portugal is a Paedo haven and an unsafe place to take children and to make comments like that to the authorities may well backfire on those making them. They may be asked for the proof. Did any of us ever consider Jersey an unsafe place, but it now appears Paedo's gathered there too.

I always taken the view that if a plane crashes the airline company concerned makes sure they do not loose customers by checking all planes thoroughly so the likelyhood of it happening again is slim. So working on that principle Portugal is now probably safer than it has ever been. I should really put this on both blogs but as everybody reads everybody elses it is not necessary.

I am now going to leave it for a while to see what, if anything happens. We keep hearing from all sides something is going to happen soon but so far nothing has materialised.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
The comments you read are not new. In fact, if you do a bit of research you will find that most of them are a re-run. Remember the 'kick Portugal out of the EU' campaign? LOL As it seemed to fail, then the 'kick Portugal out of planet Earth' campaign was launched. These people are ignorants who think that Portuguese people don't have a right to express their opinions. Well, they are very, very wrong. Because that is just what Portuguese people have done. They should pay a little visit to PdL and see the locals' opinion about this latest circus act. If they aren't brave enough, they can research the internet and check Portuguese TV stations websites for footage done in the Algarve about this latest campaign and read people's comments on Portuguese online newspapers. If they think they can shut people up, they should think again. People in my country have died so we can speak our minds. The people of Portugal still remember what it is like to be forbidden to express themselves. I was lucky enough to be born in democracy times, but I had family members arrested because they confronted the dictatorship. No more in this country people will be intimidated and bullied. Those times are gone. We are a small but sovereign country and no one (and certainly not half a dozen xenophobic fascists) will prevent us from exercising our rights.
As some like to say they have called the 'authorities', they should also know that a very specific comment expressing a very specific accusation against a Portuguese institution was sent to the authorities, with two links and a snapshot.
Hope you're feeling better and are not in pain, Gina.

Zetta said...

I have to say that I don't agree with ripping up posters of Madeleine, as she isn't the one at fault in this whole mess.Even if the McCanns haven't earned the co-operation of people, surely Madeleine has.

As far as a child-loving culture is concerned, I think people everywhere love their children (or at least the vast majority do!), but they show their love for the children in different ways. For example (before this is misconstrued by Stalker Rosie and Co), children generally love sweets and chocolate. Some parents give their children sweets and chocolate, because they know they love them; others won't give them sweets and chocolate because they are unhealthy. Neither is bad, they just have different ideas on child-rearing.

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Have you noticed that Stalker Rosie has pictures of Viv's children in her Photobucket account? Stalker or what?

http://s623.photobucket.com/albums/tt314/PillyPollyPandy/?start=200

Bum is throwing around insults and making threats (if you aren't my best friend, I'm telling). Just like at primary school.

Stalker Rosie and Bum say their main purpose is to stop people making false accusations and then they spend all their time accusing others of things!Idiot hypocrites.

Perhaps Stalker Rosie is just insanely jealous (of blogs where people don't talk to themselves) and riled because the forum is dying a death. (Wait for the sudden increase in posters there after an emergency PM is sent out to make people log on!)

Goza as tuas férias, Cláudia! Bom domingo e muchos beijinhos para ti!

nancy said...

Claudia -

Your last post sums up the Portuguese people - they have fought for their freedom and aren't going to take insults lying down any longer. Especially from the McScams!

I well remember Jane Hill's interview with Kate McCann when she said something along these lines to her:

"I've spoken to a lot of people over the weeks, local people who had given up a lot of time which you've talked about. I met people who didn't go to work for more than a week because every day they were down on the beach and searching the streets. Did you, as a mother Kate, just sometimes think. I've got to go and be out there with them. I want to go and just physically look as well?"

Kate's response tells me that she knew they wouldn't find her.

She tuts and sighs - "I mean, I did urm, tuts and sighs again. I mean we'd been working really hard really, apart from the first 48 hours which were, as Gerry said, incredibly difficult and we were almost non-functioning I'd say. But after that you get strength from somewhere. We've certainly had loads of support and that's given us strength and it's been able to make us focus really hard so we have actually, in our own way. It might not be physically searching, but we've been working really hard and doing absolutely everything we can to get Madeleine back".

Not 'too non-functioning' to leave the twins and go off on their personal appearance trips to the Pope, the White House etc though.

If anyone saw that interview and still believes they are telling the truth then I give up. Guilt was written all over Kate's face - guilt because she knew Jane had hit a raw spot!

What they were doing that night was writing very quickly on those torn out pages from the back of Madeleine's book and hoping to get their stories straight before being questionned which they knew they were going to be. That and phoning and texting to all and sundry who could get them out of the mess they had made for themselves.

So Kate and Gerry, one thing you could do if you really want to try and find Madeleine and justify yourselves in the eys of the people of PdeLuz is to stop this media endorsed leaflet campaign right now (Madeleine is the most famous little girl in the world and everyone knows her face); agree to go back for a reconstruction with your tapas pals instead and try to undo some of the damage done.

Now that would be something constructive. You should also be pushing for your local police to get their necks out of the sand and try to persuade the PJ's to reopen the case and work with them to solve the mystery of Maddie's disappearance.

Anonymous said...

Rosies Mole said

People are getting bored on the J4forum.They are also getting fed up with Rosie. I had a very interesting mail about the place. Will send it to you Claudia.

Copy of post from Rosie:

As a forum and a group of people, not only do we support dear Little Madeleine McCann and her parents, we actually try and raise the issues of other missing and abused children.
Of course there are strange people who want to see the parents of Madeleine McCann thrown into jail for something they did not do and they wish to make them suffer even more than they are suffering now and this is why we are constantly under attack.


Rosie was trying to justify the forum's existence to the host. More and more people are now seeing it for what it is.How are the issues of abused and missing children being raised there? How does Rosie know what the McCanns have or haven't done? Idiot woman. Constantly under attack? Where?

Will send you that mail, Cláudia!

Gina said...

Hi Claudia,

You are probably right, maybe what I have been reading are re runs, I guess everything we all say now are re runs as the bottom line is, apart from the annual anniversary campaign there is nothing new going on with regards to the case as far as we know.

I sometimes wonder if another child is abducted (anywhere), how the parents will react. Will they take the route the McCanns have or think twice about it having seen that too much publicity is not always favourable. I also wonder if bloggers will show the same interest in them and their child for so long, and if the answer is no, then I wonder why!!

The pain is easing thank you for asking, but the ends of my fingers are still numb and still cannot hold anything with right hand. Took a peek, the stitches are up the palm of my hand so until they are out I guess I will find it difficult to bend my hand. I am supposed to be getting the other one done in a month or so, as the moment, no way!!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
Well, to be honest I also don't think I would have the courage to rip up any posters of MAdeleine. But then again, I live 500 Km away from the Algarve, all aspects of my life haven't been affected by what happened and I didn't have to live with the world's press on my face for months for something I took no part in. I understand why the Algarvians did it. If I lived in the Algarve and bumped into any of those posts I would jyst add to them a few questions, as I have said before.
I agree that children are loved everywhere by the majority of people, no matter what the cultural differences are. That's why people were outraged when the pink one tried to fool the world saying that leaving the children hone alone was a cultural thing and that is why Portuguese people were so shocked. That's BS and he knows it.
As for the PhotoBucket account, I can't believe it. My God, these people are nuts.
I can see why they are jealous of places where people actually 'talk'. :-)
Obrigada! Um bom Domingo para ti também.
Beijinhos!

Cláudia said...

Hi, NAncy!
I remember that interview well. Kate was given a hard time. She knew she had to admit to not physically search and she knew how that would be perceived. But that time she couldn't lie because there were too many witnesses who knew she hadn't.
They will be very welcome, NAncy, if:
1 - They come to answer the 48 unanswered questions;
2 - They come back for a reconstruction.
Have a nice Sunday!
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Rosies Mole!
LOL
I loved that! Thanks!
I bet the host was very impressed by the justification which is why they have been forced to move their insults to the blog.
Thanks for making me laugh. I'll wait for the e-mail.
Have a great Sunday!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina!
I hope no one ever tries the McCann approach again, in order not to be discredited.
I'm not sure there is nothing new. I would say there is. But let's wait and see. :-)
Glad you're feeling better.

Gina said...

It seems, as I suspected, I am now J4 number one enemy. I guess I expected it really because I agreed with some views on here. Apparently no one wants me anymore. Well if to be wanted I have to change my views I would rather no be wanted. And can I take this opportunity to thank the shit stirring arse who posted this on J4 because it was not me.

Gina said...
PMSL Rosie, what business is it of yours where I post?

29 March 2009 10:17

Gina said...

Zetta I was wondering what the hell you were talking about until I looked a while ago.

"Bum is throwing around insults and making threats (if you aren't my best friend, I'm telling). Just like at primary school."

Well let us see if they feel it necessary to put up posts I made off line. Personally I do not think anything will come as a shock to Claudia, because we had a sort of arguement with each other off line before I posted on here. It is becoming obvious that all sites seem to need someone to pop at so it might as well be me as anyone else. Whatever is said it will not make me change my view on THE CASE

Cláudia said...

Gina, actually that's not true. They were having a go at you before that post by Gina, which they could check if it came from you in 5 seconds (Blogger ID). If they weren't intelligent enough to check or checking didn't suit their agenda, it's your pick.

I really pity Bum. What a sad, bitter, lonely life whe must have if she can describe my relationship with Gina as a friendship (no offense, Gina, but I'm sure you do know the concept of friendship). Friendship is not a mundane thing. It is a blessing. A friend, a true friend is a treasure. Getting to that age and being unaware of the concept is truly heartbreaking. Oh well...

Cláudia said...

Gina, once again, no, nothing would come as a surprise. We all have unpublished posts, haven't we? And whatever it is, I don't give a flying one exactly because what I said in my last post. :-)

Gina said...

Claudia, I don't don't give a flying one either so we have that in common. I have had differences with you, rosie, Mum, Doc. etc. etc and have always managed to try and see things from others point of view even if I do not agree. However to say that I slammed into Viv only because she banned me, is a bloody insult because what that means is that if I had not been banned I would be agreeing with her outlandish comments and ever changing views. Sorry to put this on your blog I know we had a argument about it off line, but it has just annoyed me.

Cláudia said...

Gina, give them the credit they deserve: none. :-)
It's a beautiful day here, although the temperatures aren't very high. Hope the weather is good where you are too.

Gina said...

It is pouring with rain and has been all night. That is the only reason I have been reading the blogs today otherwise I would be in the sun with my book.

Rosie has just put on her blog that someone else has signed up on my blogger name and routed it through Spain. It don't know whether to be flattered or annoyed that someone wants to be me too:-)

Cláudia said...

Here the weather is lovely. The sun is shinning but it is still a bit windy and the temperatures aren't that high (around 13ºC).
Fame at last! LOL

Zetta said...

Gina, I don't know what Rosiepops is talking about signing up with your name and routing through Spain (I don't think she does either, but at least she has used a long word) someone used an OpenID and linked it to your profile, so if your BloggerID was checked, it would be your real BloggerID. Whoever did this OpenID thing seems to forget that you don't have BloggerIDs with an OpenID. It would be like having a hotmail.com address when you have a Yahoo account.

Apart from that I don't think anyone minds which views you have on the case. J4 are just mad because of where you are posting, not your views.

By the way Cláudia, you are right about Clarence M's stupid statement that leaving kids alone is a cultural thing. Completely idiotic.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
Oh well,she never knows what she's talking about so there's nothing new there. Having said that, I also don't know how that Open ID thing works. But al least i don't claim to know! :-)
Well, if they are mad, than that's a bonus to a lovely Sunday. :-)
Zetta, the man had to say something to try to explain what cannot be explained. That was why he was paid for. I just think he tought Portuguese people were stupid enough to believe it and British people stupid enough to accept it without being outraged. We was wrong. Times two.

Zetta said...

Hiya

I had a quick look at what Stalker Rosie wrote and she was trying to make Gina think that a Portuguese person dropped her in it.

As I said before she was talking junk because you dont get a Google ID with an OpenID.Why the woman must present all her opinions as fact Ill never know.

Anyhow they have written quite a few posts about not caring where Gina posts.There is too much protest going on there.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta! LOL
Really? Weel, it must have been me. You know how Spain is just around the corner. I went out for a cup of coffee, crossed the border and blogged away. Either that or it was Amaral. Yes, thinking of it, I bet it was Amaral. PMSL!

Cláudia said...

Nancy just posted this on an old thread /February). As Gina would probably never get to read it, I'm copy pasting it here.
..............................

nancy said...

Gina -

I'm glad your hand is feeling better, but sorry to hear you have to have the other one operated on too.

What exactly is the name of the condition you have, because I have a friend who had the same thing done - I know it's a strange sounding condition, where the fingers bend towards the palm or something like that.


Nx

March 29, 2009 3:00 PM

Zetta said...

No! Apparently it was all a question of how you or Amaral routed everything!Stop routing! You have been found out, you narcissistically narcissitic narcissist! :-o

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
I think it is called carpal tunnel syndrome, A friend of mine suffers from it. I know it causes pain, but don't know much more about it. My friend has been able to manage hers with acupuncture and avoid surgery. She has 4 or 5 sessions of acupuncture a year and does pretty well.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta! Oh, ok!
I just had to google routing! PMSL!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routing

I have to warn Amaral, that naughty routing man. :-)

Zetta said...

Stalker Rosie who complained about Nancy's spelling wrote:

Thanks Tony, I have replied to you.

And thanks for bringing that to my attention, hopefully we can
illicit a favourable response!

Nice going!

Cláudia said...

Zetta, ROTFLMAO!
Do you think we should call the 'authorities'? I find that very serious. Someone has to stop those spelling crimes! I will not allow people to continue to murder the language! :-)

The word (elicit) always reminds me of a teacher I had who repeated over and over and over again to the whole class: you have to elicit the answers from the students. ;-)

helmylin2 said...

Hi Cláudia,

You are welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed the video and have posted it for everyone to enjoy.

Love,
L
xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, L.
I really did, thank you. I thought I should share it. It's beautiful. :-)
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Zetta apparently I have lied it was me. I don't understand anything about ID's all I know it was not me.
Gina cant be bothered to sign in

Cláudia said...

Gina, but that can't be because we all know they don't lie on the HoF! LOL
Tell them to eff off.

Zetta said...

Hi Gina and Cláudia
They do nothing but throw around insults and accusations. Do what Cláudia said. They KNOW they are lying, but it is what they do all the time. First of all Rosie said it wasnt you, now she is agreeing with Christabel. What does that say about her?

Cláudia said...

Olá, Zetta!
Exactly. It says she's a liar. Which is, obviously, not a surprise for anyone.

Gina said...

Hi, Zetta and Claudia, past caring as I know it was not me that posted 10.12 or whenever it was. I don't even have at btopenworld account and I dont live in Valencia.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
As I said, tell them to eff off. It's Spring (ok, it may be raining in your neck of the woods). Enjoy it.

Gina said...

Claudia, no point saying anything, my posts in reply to tinks etc never went up, they are only now interested in saying its me when it isn't. As if all I would have said to Rosie is PMSL etc. I would have said what I always say, eg. I dont agree with you on that point. I guess they don't agree with my views on Astros post, I don't care because I think they are valid. It was ok when I was knocking Viv though. No, not telling them to eff off, have just effed off all by myself because what they are actually saying is that I would post on Vivs if I could which is a bloody insult to me. One thing I do know is someone is a lot cleverer than they are to have posted as me and got away with it. I just wished that person would do the same with one of their ID's to prove it possible, but I suppose if they did they would say that was me too. It's just too pathetic. I never thought I would agree with Zetta about anything, but she was right when she said... First of all Rosie said it wasnt you, now she is agreeing with Christabel. What does that say about her?

March 29, 2009 6:06 PM

Sod it I am going to eat my Easter Egg early:-)

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
We all know lying is what they do. And apparently they now have no problems showing it publicly. :-)
The Easter Egg is a good idea.

Zetta said...

Stalker Rosie said.

It was Gina did you not see all the stats that Chris put up? This is Gina on the site when she said she had not looked in for a few days, it is there in black and white and cannot be disputed, all of those had nothing to do with AOL.

When someone shows a screenshot of a letter received from Forumotion about how disgusting the forum is they were all pretending it was a spoof.They were saying it had been manipulated (shows the kind of thing they would do to "prove a point"). Bum said she had a special software to see what was manipulated and what wasn't. She was lying of course, as usual. Then it turned up on the Forumotion forum for all the owners of Forumotion to see. Did one of them say it the letter was a fake? Did they remove it? No.

Now the same people type up a list of "facts" and expect us to believe it?As Stinks would say SPOOF. FACT.

They lie too much for me too believe anything. I bet if Mum21 and Rosie talk in their sleep they even tell lies then.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
Exactly!

They lie too much for me too believe anything. I bet if Mum21 and Rosie talk in their sleep they even tell lies then.

ROTFLMAO!

Gina said...

Hi Claudia and Zetta, I looked in on J4 last night and saw Mum said that post was not mine and I know she was right about that. However it appears that a decision has been made it was me by Rosie and Christabel so that is that. First Rosie said it was a poster from portugal, posting via Spain, then I was on BTworld in Valencia, then I was in the UK. I have never understood how to do screenshots or how anybody can use anybody elses ID so have never got involved in any discussions on that subject, but I now know what I know for sure, it was not me and they have got that wrong so I presume they have got a lot of other things wrong too on that issue. One thing I will say though is if Zetta is right about someone knows how to use my blogger ID I can only presume it is those who have my email address!!

Apparently I am not wanted anywhere, oh dear I am gutted, boo hoo, and I am now on my own, boo hoo again. Well I would rather be on my own than loose the ability to see things from all angles, and I also have the ability to admit to agreeing with some things that people I have disagreed with before are saying without all the abuse. If that is two faced ok, but it is no more two faced than what Rosie said, something like she did not agree with my views but put them up anyway. Considering I went on that blog over the JJ issue and have in the main commented on Viv, am I now to presume that all the things I said about Viv Rosie does not agree with. A home goal Rosie, Viv must be having a good laugh now you have got rid of me. BTW Rosie I looked on your site but never posted is what I meant, when I saw how you were slamming in at Portugal, then I saw Astros comments I knew the place to give my views on that particular issue was here and as I said to Dylan I doubted I would last here long because Claudia and I were only talking ok because we shared the same views on that particular point, I would have got my head ripped off on your site if I dared to suggest you were going too far with your comments on Portugal and the people. Why try to degrade a whole nation just because you disagree with a few Portuguese posters points of view.

Viv, if you are looking in, I do not retract a single word I have said about you, but enjoy the break, apparently I am now the target, enjoy! Considering J4 do not care where I post, they sure as hell have enough to say about it

Sorry about this long post Claudia, wasn't going to bother, but it is still raining so I bothered.

Cláudia said...

Gina, you give them the importance they don't have. They are nothing and speak only crap. Give them the contempt they deserve. You know it wasn't you, don't you? So nothing else matters.
They don't ebven agree themselves on the topic which means someone there is obviously lying. Which is no surprise at all for anyone on the blogging world, except themselves.
Went to visit the people at the tax office. It was very nice. LOL Dentist next! What a great day. At least the weather is good. :-)

Gina said...

Claudia I had someone who actually knows what they are talking about check things out for me this morning and they said someone has hacked into my account and it is my ID that shows so needless to say I will not be using my blogger account again and whoever wants to now be me can just get on with it because I know how I feel about things and have always been said so. The problem is how will anybody ever know now if it is me posting or not as anybody can use the way I have just signed in too. There are some sad sods about and all flying on the back of a poor little kid.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
I know nothing about how that works, but I don't think anyone has hacked into your account simply because that post wasn't posted from the Blogger account but from Open ID, as Zetta explained. The difference, well, I have to confess I don't know. However, if you suspect someone has hacked into your account you can always change the password to a very difficult word, preferably in Spanish. Or German, Or greek. :-)

Anonymous said...

Gina,

Don't worry about the J4 site. Judging by the racial hatred towards the Portuguese being stirred up, and their campaign to bring down the tourist industry (all against blogger rules and illegal too), you are better off out of there.

I'm sure I can speak for Cláudia (hope the dentist visit is going ok) in that you are welcome here, so long as there's no disparaging comments made about previous and present members of Viv's blog. (i think Claudia said that herself). Differences of opinion are not a problem when debated in a polite manner :-)

In fact, it is always a good thing to have these differences as it encourages healthy debate instead of the majority of us agreeing with each other all of the time - lol!

Have a good day all & take care,

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
Exactly! Couldn't have said it any better.
Leaving for the dentist right now.
Have a great day!
xxxx

Gina said...

Dylan I think everybody knows my views on this case and where I stand on it. Some choose to put their own interpretation on what I say but that is up to them. Unfortunately it has reached a point where it is impossible to debate. I either have to come on here when I agree with a thread, or go on J4 when I agree with one of their threads. The result has been a kick in the teeth from both sides from time to time and ofcourse I retaliate. Then someone sinks low enough to use my ID just to cause arguments for the sake of it (abd I an pretty sure I know who it is BTW) It is apparent that many actually thrive on this kind of thing, but I am just not interested anymore in talking about the McCanns, their bloody campaigns and what the hell they do with the fund money or where they stick their leaflets. Neither am I interested in commenting about any other blogger either, TBH I do not have a problem with myself and my motives for saying all the things I have in the past and that is all that matters to me now. There is just too much hatred and point scoring going on IMO. I just hope that something happens to sort this mess out soon and put a stop to this missing child case which has turned it a cyber slanging match

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
Well, there are still people interested. Otherwise we woudn't be here. The day I am not interested is the day this blog will close.
Dentist was ok and now lunch!

gina said...

Claudia, not a good choice of words on my part I must admit. I would not have blogged all this time if not interest, I guess I just meant not interested in saying how I feel about it anymore.

Glad dentist was ok, and guess what, I think the sun is coming out at last.

Cláudia said...

Understood.
My dentist is great. I never feel a thing, even without anaesthetics. Going to the tax office was more painful! LOL

Anonymous said...

Claudia,

Tax Office - urgghhh! We get sent out tax declarations every year, and that in itself, generates a whole pile of paperwork, but you should have seen how much paperwork I got sent out when my circumstances changed having split with Duncan, last March. It was enough to have used up a small English wood in paper!

I have to go out now to put money in my a/c to pay for my son's ticket for the Reading Festival. It costs £175 - kids these days eh?!

Back this evening.

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
It's a nightmare. I hate paperwork. This time it wasn't too bad and I was done in 10 minutes. But I know what you mean.
£175? Kids...
xxxx

nancy said...

Hi Claudia

Thanks for confirming that name - carpal tunnel syndrome. I wonder if that's what Gina has. I know one of our famous ex Prime Ministers - Margaret Thatcher - suffered the same problem!

The problem most of our lovely politicians suffer from these days is 'nose in the trough' syndrome - they are all at grabbing as much as they can to feather their nests for their retirement. Jacqui Smith is a prime example, who claimed for porno films for her husband by using the tax payers money, not to mention the second home she was claiming for. What a shower they all are!

A bit like the McCanns really!!

nancy said...

Zetta - Hi

Just what was the spelling error I made that upset Rosie so much - just out of interest!! I never go there myself so I haven't seen it.

I should all just ignore their hell hole - now that would really send them up the wall because I believe they are down to the last two or three now!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Yes, that is what Gina said she suffers from.
I loved the condition you diagnosed politicians with! How true! And how universally true! :-)
I read about that porno films stuff. What a nerve. I really think that politicians are the same all over the world. They disgust me, to be honest.
xxxx

Gina said...

Hi Nancy,

Yes I do have carpal.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
That's what I thought.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
I also don't know what was the spelling mistake which she used as an excuse to probably insult you. But maybe you could 'illicit' that answer from her! LOL
If you visited at least you could give them a bit of a thrill. :-)
xxxx

Zetta said...

Hello Nancy
Stalker Rosie just wrote that you had made three mistakes in a short mail. I have no idea which mistakes she meant nor which mail, sorry!

Gina, Forget Stalker Rosie! Do you hear anything about Amy Fitzpatrick in your neck of the woods? What happened to the lead (the neighbour)?

Now, now, Cláudia! Stalker Rosie meant to use the word "illicit"! ROFLMAO!

Look at all the "sentances" (sic - Tinks) I have written!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
I haven't heard any news on Amy's case, sadly.
As a woman who has a strong love for Literature I loved your 'sentances'. And I have no doubt the HoF owner intended to use the term 'illicit'. PMSL! It made a lot of sense in her 'sentance'. :-)

Gina said...

Zetta

Gina, Forget Stalker Rosie! Do you hear anything about Amy Fitzpatrick in your neck of the woods? What happened to the lead (the neighbour)?

No sorry I have not heard anything and I do not have Spanish TV either

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

This is the first time I've had a proper break all day! I rushed to the bank to put money in for my son's festival he wants to go to. The tickets went up for sale on line at 7pm, and to make sure he got one, he logged in at 6.30. Even at that time, the site was too busy to display the sales page and he's been trying all eve. I think people must have logged in early this morning and been there all day. We've tried Ebay and the fan2fan site, but Ebay's bidding is up to £210 already, before closure & I don't have that kind of money anyway! Poor soul. I'm sure he'll be able to get a cancellation one from fan2fan in the coming weeks.

Littlun has been poorly since Friday night with a high temp. She's very 'fluey' and I had to get her to the docs this morning. The doctor said to hold off on the antibiotics for a couple days to see if she gets worse, but I've given them to her this evening as she's so ill, she's crying. She has sinusitis, which, having had it myself, is horrible. I was up for hours with her last night and see the same kind of night tonight. I don't mind, I just want her to feel better, but I feel exhausted now!

Nancy, don't worry about spelling mistakes. We all make them, & I do most of the time! Docmac pointed out that everybody makes 'typos', which I would imagine yours are, but which ever way you look at it, "sentances" is not a typo - lol!

Well, off now. Goodnight all.

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
I'm sorry about your kids. Hope your son gets his ticket preferably with a discount and that your daughter gets better soon. I remember how it felt when I was a kid and was sick. I hated the feeling because I just wanted to go out and have fun with my friends. And I was lucky. I was rarely sick and didn't have nay of the kids' diseases, except for the usual flu.
I'm also tired and very sleepy and I'll probably go to bed earlier tonight.
Hope your night isn't too bad.
xxxx

Zodiac said...

Hi Claudia and all,

I see I have loads of reading to do. "Something from the bottom of my heart" is an extremely powerful post! Glad to be back. What a lovely hubby I have I'm sitting here typing on my lovely gift of a new laptop.

Night all Lia x.

Zetta said...

Oh dear, how bad I feel :-) Stalker Rosie has spent an evening getting wound up about my posts. Tony is still writing to authorities.Man, they must be sick and tired of him.

Hope things get better in the Dylan household!

I was looking up Madeleine stuff on the net and there was one page where Madeleine and Amy Fitzpatrick were together. There was a report that there is a neighbour and a missing car and that that was a definite lead. Then I couldn't find anything else.

gina said...

Claudia, I did not want to bring this up again but I see J4 are still insisting that 10.22 post on their blog was me. I have taken on board all their comments and they are right about my identity etc. but I did not make that post & I have no clue how it was done. Whoever, used my ID obviously has more knowledge than they do & must be laughing their socks off at them & to be honest I am doing the same because they just cannot admit they just might be wrong. I am not even sure if the post in question is still there since I pointed out (offline) that I agree my name is in blue, but it does not have the blogger logo next to it, it has the grey head. Oh well, whatever.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac! :-)
I'm glad you're back! And happy that your husband decided to give you another one ionstead of trying to fox the old one! LOL
Welcome back.
Looking forward to reading you soon.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
You should get an award. You always know when you get to the stalking thing. She rants away, usually to itself. Congratulations! :-) Is he writing to the authorities who talk to him in his head? ;-)
Hope it doesn't have anything to do with Madeleine being Mary Magdalene or similar things.
Oficially I never heard/read anything about that.
No Tax Office today! :-)

Cláudia said...

Gina, don't feed them. They desperately need reasons to continue talking about this. Even Bum seems to think it wasn't you although she was careful enough not to say it in a too strong manner so not to piss the stalking thing off. She knows very well what happens when someone pisses her off, so she chose her words carefully. Just enjoy your day!

Gina said...

Claudia, I too think Mum is probably the only one that has sense see what happened and why, I am not feeding them, I am really seeing the funny side of it as I said. In fact funny because, I know what I know, it is not me that has been made a fool of.

I got one of those chain emails yesterday from a friend of mine in the UK. It was a picture of a missing 3 year old girl and the message was something like have you seen this child etc. and it had a name and address at the bottom of it. I thought how odd it was to send an email like that. It did not say when she went missing or anything like that, it just asked for it to be forwarded to as many people as possible. I deleted it as I am now suspicious of the motives for it, it just did not make sense to me at all. Has anybody else received it? If so what did you think it was all about?

Anonymous said...

Hi Lia, lovely to see you back online :-))) I'm looking forward to your comments again. x

Claudia, talking of typos, I loved this one you just made:

"ionstead of trying to fox the old one! LOL"

Since my upstairs computer is broken, I might try to out-fox it, you never know, it might just work ;-)

Hi Zetta, yep! You certainly have stirred up an hornets' nest of threats from the PH-H. Keep it up, it's all very amusing!

Gina, I'd just let it go if I were you. Who cares anyway, if you did post it, all it says is a fairly innocuous "PMSL". Anyway, I for one believe you, but I wouldn't let it bother you if nobody did. There is some fairly insidious and malignant behaviour going on on that blog, worst of which is that they feel the need to publish those stats and IP etc., in each and every case that they think they have been jeered at. Like anybody cares if someone posts PMSL? Their indignance is of comedy value only :-D

Littlun is a bit better this morning. She slept through 'til 7am. I gave her her pain killers and she slept again until midday. She looks a lot brighter for it and is eating, which makes me happier.

Have a good day all.

Dylan xxx

gina said...

Dylan, don't you think it odd that that, that post was put on the blog in the first place, if you get my drift :-)

Not that this is off any interest but try this: Go try slice an onion using only one hand. I am currently trying to jam it into something in order to do it, otherwise the spag bol is off the menu tonight!!!

Cláudia said...

I wouldn't say Bum has sense (for obvious reasons) but she did try to point out she thought it wasn't you. She knows it wasn't you but can't say it like that, of course. Can you imagine? LOL 'Hey, Poops, stop it. It wasn't Gina and you know it!'! LOL

A couple of days ago there was a piece on the news about those chain e-mails about missing children. Experts were saying that 90% of them are false and that there are several things that people should pay attention to when they get them. They should see if they know the sender, if the e-mail is directed specicifically at you (using your name) or if it's directed at no one in particular, if the e-mail refers to specific information (full name of the child, address, where it went missing, the circumstances, the clothes the child was wearing, physical description of the child and if it contains the contacts of the parents and of the Police). Usually fake e-mails are very generic and have very little information. Another thing the expert said was, in the case of Portugal, to immediately check the PJ missing person website. If the child's name is not tere, it's fake. And he also said that if you are still in doubt, to forward the e-mails to the PJ. They will take care of it. Most of the fake e-mails are sent for Spam reasons. People are eager to help and forward the e-mail to the biggest number of people possible and most of the times forget to do it using bbc (blind carbon copy - this feature stops all the people to whom you forward the e-mail to have access to all the e-mail addresses of others). I would have deleted it too. Especially because here we all know the names of the children who are missing. And if a child goes missing all the newspapers and tv stations talk about it.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
Loved my typos! LOL That's what happens when you just get up. :-)
I'm glad your daughter is feeling better. Kids get better a lot faster than we do. :-)
Enjoy your day too!
xxxx

Gina said...

Claudia, that email I got came from my friend Bee and she is totally trustworthy. Obviously she had had it forwarded to her. I was going to contact her and say I thought it was odd but I didn't want to make her feel she should not have forwarded it. There was nothing in it sinister it was just weird IMO. I was having a delete day on my computer so I just got rid of it without giving it a second thought as I was sure nobody in their right mind would, if their 3 year old missing just think "oh I'll email this around, someone may have seen her"

Cláudia said...

Gina, she also had it forwarded to her, so it's obviously not her fault. People just want to help. But by the looks of it, it is probably false. If it hasn't got a complete descriptionn of all the circumstances and ALL contact details, inclduing those of the Police, it's not trustworthy. Of course you could always check with the Missing Person Police Website.
As for the other thing, saved.

Gina said...

Well thanks a bunch you lot. Not one of you offered any solution on how to cut an onion with one hand.

Top tip, just worked it out, it took long enough, throw it in the blender!!!!

nancy said...

Hi Zetta

I don't think I'll lose any sleep at Rosiepops pointing out my spelling erros or typos - I can't say I trust her judgement as far as spelling goes having read a few of her posts on blogs.

Dylan

I hope your son manages to get those elusive and expensive tickets, and that your daughter is well on the road to recovery. You always wish it was yourself when your kids are ill. Good job they've got a lovely Mum like you.

Gina

I can't imagine how difficult it must be to peel an onion, do some typing, cook, stuff like that, with one hand out of use! I hope the op is successful. I'm sure it will be as I have a friend who had the same op and the hand is much more flexible now. I takes time though of course!

Zodiac

Good to see you back on Claudia's blog - I often read you on the 3A's too.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina!
I'm not exactly the right person to ask those kinds of tips. I hate household chores. Hate them. I cook in order to survive. LOL I would probably do something out of a box. :-)

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
That's exactly what you should do with anything coming from the HoF! :-)
xxxx

gina said...

Nancy,

It's amazing what you can do when you have too. I can now type ok, but I cannot grip anything yet.

Claudia I am glad you said out of a box, because unless you have an electric can opener, cans are out too.

Sorry I have turned this into a surviving with carpal thread. I'll do anything to be the centre of attention :-)

Cláudia said...

Gina, I know how it feels. I once broke my right arm and had it plastered for 3 weeks from my hand almost to my shoulder. How fun it was!

Zetta said...

Gina, why not Google the name of the missing child mentioned in the e-mail. See if he or she is genuinely missing or if it is a hoax mail.

I have just started reading "Maddie.A Verdade da Mentira" and it looks very promising! I'm sure there'll be some good discussion points in it.

Dylan, that much for concert tickets! Good grief. That's just madness.

Nancy, I couldn't trust Stalker Rosie fullstop. Spelling is the least of her problems!

Does anyone know what 970 and 30 whatevers Stalker Rosie is on about, because I genuinely have no idea whatsoever. If she is insinuating that I post there she is lying through her teeth again, because they told me ages ago they weren't going to post anything from me (different opinions aren't allowed, nor is pointing out hypocrisy). The only time I have posted since then is when there is a new thread and I have given my opinion on one or two posts (literally one or two).

Mum21 is going to expose the one who used your ID? Oh boy. Wonder which name she'll pick out of a hat.

Gina said...

Claudia I asked J4 to remove the posts they made with all my details. Needless to say that was misunderstood, It was said I should remove my own posts (they are the ones that were ok at the time but are not now BTW). I want you to make me a promise, if I respond to another single comment on J4 ban me from here please

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
Exactly. Or check twith the Police. If the child is missing, it will be there. Up until very recently I had no idea so many of those e-mails were a hoax. I also received two ot three mails which I know for a fact were fake. All about missing children (they know it makes people cooperative). Another good way for these scammer is to do the same with children who are supposed to suffer from cancer. I also got two or three of those and forwarded them. Then I got one which was very suspicious. It had telephone numbers and an address. I used a public phone and none of the 3 telephone numbers existed and and the address was fake too (the street didn't even exist). The lenghts people go to...
I think I will have to read it again soon. The first timer I read it I was concentrating on summarising it in English. It was all done in a hurry. Feel free to talk about anything you find worth discussing.
Have no idea what that is all about. Lottery numbers? :-)
Lying through her teeth! LOL Now that reminded me of Carlos Anjos. :-)
I think she should do it. If she has proof and can back it up, I hope she does. And contacts Blogger about it. Hope she doesn't tell Tony, though. Or he'll contact the 'authorities' again! LOL

Cláudia said...

Gina, I can't ban anyone. All I can do is not publish posts! LOL

gina said...

Zetta, I deleted the message and after I emailed my friend to tell her what Claudia had said she deleted it too, so now neither of us can remember what it actually said. :-( TBH we are both as useless as each other when it comes to this type of thing. She like me thinks spam is that dreadful meat in a tin :-)

Cláudia said...

Gina, Spam can, in simple terms, be described as unwanted advertising. It can be more serious than that because it may be a means of 'illiciting' (sorry, couldn't resist!) people's personal details in order to commit fraud.
Just forget about the e-mail. if you receive another one, you can always check.

nancy said...

Claudia -

Have you listened to the radio broadcast between Tony Bennett and the DJ Mark Boland?

It's on one of the 3A's threads and worth listening to.

Mark actually admitted leaving his own small children whilst on holiday at a caravan park (would you believe), but then he definitely sounded pro McCann, saying they couldn't possibly have done, or not done, all the things suggested by people because they are educated doctors!! What a stupid comment. As if only the lower classes commit crimes!

Anyway,Tony made his points very well and also a few people phoned in, definitely antis, and made some good points.

I worry that TB, and GA, may be lining themselves up for obscurity, and by that I mean a fatal accident or something, made to look like an accident if you know what I mean, for getting a bit too close to the truth of what happened to Madeleine. Or am I being a bit melodramatic here? I'm sure they have thought about these possibilities themselves.

Just to say 'well done' to both these gentleman for having the courage of their convictions, and even if some people may think they are behaving like mavericks, well why not - society needs people who will stick their heads above the parapet instead of being yesmen sometimes. Even if they both turn out to be wrong in their convictions, I still say 'bravo' for their efforts on Maddie's behalf.

JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
I did. I can't believe how lightly that man admitted to doing it. Yes, they were different times, but my grandmother was born in 1900, had 7 children, worked in the fields and her children were never left alone like that.
Well, I think that if something like that happened to any of them (I'm more informed about GA, obviously) it would probably be more dangerous. And I'll leave it at that.
xxxx

Gina said...

Back to the thread and the poster campaign. Claudia I was going to look at the Portuguese papers but I know I will not understand enough to make any sense out of it. In brief, are they commenting on this anymore, also you know that Poster picture that is on J4 blog, do you know where that originated from and whether posters like that are up anywhere, or is it just another cyber spoof poster

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
The newspapers reported it at the time. Now they are reporting about other things like the possibility of the McCanns being back to Portugal for the anniversary and the possibility of an Interview to Portuguese TV in exchange for a 'donation' to the fund. hen the poster thing was reported, Portuguesepeople were very clear about their reactions, as comments on online newspaper articles can confirm. I don't know what the poster on the HoF is. I know there are some billboards in the Argarve and very few posters. The posters were sent to people homes, in envelopes with their names and addresses on it. If I lived there and got them, someone would have to explain to me where people got my name and address. Here in Portugal people can complain about unwanted mail. Most shops didn't put the posters up and someone from the Algarve told me that posters were left in some places without permission. In that case, when any kind of posters are left ot put up anywhere without permission, refuse collectors are told to take them down.

Zodiac said...

Hi Nancy and Dylan I am glad to be back. Just need to get my mouse connected and I will be away copying and pasting, I don't know how to do it without me mouse. I had typed a post re the article on this thread it took me ages as I could not copy and post the points I was discussing when I posted there was a problem and as I had not copied before sending, my post was lost. My new laptop came close to being a broken laptop!

Gina with regard the onion for you bolognese you could have put the whole onion in whilst cooking the bolognese and when it was ready to serve scooped the onion out and discarded, that way you get the taste of the onion. I had to do this when my children were young as they would sit and pick out the chopped onion and as result refuse to eat the meal! I also did the same with veg in stews etc.

Dylan glad your little one is feeling much better hope you both get a good sleep tonight. Also hope**** gets his ticket.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac!
Sorry about your post!
Good cooking tip. :-)
I'm glad you're back! :-)
xxxx

gina said...

I think I lost the plot somewhere along the way, I thought they wanted posters to go up for the anniversary so I am suprised the campaign has already started (and ended by the sound of it). It remains to be seen whether they will actually go to Portugal to do interviews.

The poster on J4 to me looks like the handywork of the same person who did the candles image or someone of a similar type IMO

I said I wasn't going to comment on their bloody campaign again and now I have. Blimey, I am even now lie to myself :-)

Gina said...

Hi Zodiac, I never thought of that, thanks. We can do a double act if you like, you do the cooking tips and I'll do the cleaning ones, and the Claudia can throw us both off for messing up the blog:-)

Cláudia said...

aldescubierto, o seu post não será publicado no meu blog por motivos óbvios. Sugiro que contacte a Polícia. Posso dar-lhe os contactos.

aldescubierto, your post will not be published on my blog for obvious reasons. I suggest you contact the police. I can provide you with the contacts.

Cláudia said...

Gina, I'm sure teh campaign already started. And I suspect that it's probably already finished.
Don't ask me to make sense of anything they do. I'm still trying to figure out how they were capable of leaving the children alone.

Cláudia said...

I like cleaning and cooking tips. I just don't put them into practice! LOL

gina said...

Gina, I'm sure teh campaign already started.

Do you know you are becoming dislecktic or even maybe dyslectic/dyslexic pull yourself together you are a teacher for heavens sake, I can't type and have no brain so I have an excuse for all my mistakes.

I am off for a while now - Gina saying for today, laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you shrink your face

Cláudia said...

I have an excuse too. And a great one. I'm eating a delicious ice cream. :-)

Anonymous said...

Hi all,

In a rush as my cab has arrived early, thought I had a few spare minutes!

Nancy, I've never noticed you making any spelling mistakes, but I've noticed plenty over "there" ! ;-)

Claudia, Icecream - yummy!

Gina, I have done so much crying this year, no wonder my face has shrivelled up and dissolved into my neck!!

Have a good eve all. Off to quiz night and I fully expect to come last again - damn students!

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
Delicious indeed! :-)
Hope you have fun! And don't let them win!
xxxx

Zetta said...

Hiya
Gina, you said Mum21 was the only with with the sense to see what had happened to the mail.Well, she appears to have been under the influence of Stalker Rosie, because I am now being accused of lurking the HoF which a) I dont do because their complete crud is e-mailed to me and b) I have hardly been at home all day so most definitely havent been on the computer in the few minutes I have had checking their rubbish. Its a sad state of affairs when people have to make stuff up to impress the head Stalker.Or are they just too thick to read blog records properly?

Regarding your onion, do you have a meat carver? You could stick it on there and cut it. Or, and lets face it this is the best idea, you call Bee and get her to do it.

Dylan, show them what you are made of!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zetta!
But if they don't make it up, what will they post? :-) You're lucky. You could have been accused of destroying posters and therefore being the 'abductor'. LOL
Two good tips. Number two particularly appealing to me. :-)

gina said...

Hi Zetta, one flaw in your call Bee onion plan, she is in the UK and I am in Spain. Making coq au vin tomorrow, watch this space :-)

Dylan, It takes a lot to make me cry, but the bloody onion did!!

gina said...

BTW Zetta why is their stuff emailed to you, just curious.

Cláudia said...

Gina, the UK is just around the corner. Ask the Geography expert! LOL

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
I can't speak for Zetta, obviously. But I also have lots of e-mails sent to me. Posters and anonymous people send me many posts. Not only from the HoF. And sometimes interesting stuff that I wouldn't be aware of otherwise.

gina said...

Actually Claudia, I can fly to the UK quicker than I can fly to Portugal which is next door. No flights direct from Alicante so have to fly to Barcelona or Madrid and get another flight and it costs a fortune. When my sister is in PDL she often says pop down!!! Also you would think we were on the same time zone but Spain is the same as UK. I was never good at geography so no way will I argue with the teacher on that subject, if the UK is around the corner so be it. Apparently the USA is only across the pond remember.

gina said...

I meant Portugal is on the same time zone as UK,

Off to bed. Nite all

Cláudia said...

Yes, I know about the time thing. Depending on where you live, driving may be an option. Or wait for the High Speed Train!

Cláudia said...

Boa noite, Gina!

Anonymous said...

Gina,

....or wait for low tide and you soooo could just toddle across tidal midflats and find yourself in Torquay in minutes ;-) - or Tonga maybe!

Second from last again. I don't watch much telly at all. Maybe 3 hours' worth a week and my excuse is that tonight's quiz was all on telly questions. The good thing is that second from last get to chose one round of questions in next week's quiz and so I have asked for Planet Earth, which I stand more a chance of answering than "who was the latest character that tripped over in Emmerdale!!!" Good job we don't take it very seriously :-)

V tired from all of that brain strain now, and off to bed. Goodnight all, sleep well.

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
I bet nest time you're gonna rock! :-)
I cooked today and everybody survived! One of my friends even said ir was great, but I suspect he was lying. :-) I'm on my Easter break so I don't have any excuses to order food. I think I'll try it again around Summer! LOL
xxxx

Zetta said...

Olá Cláudia

Estou a ler Maddie A Verdade da Mentira. É muito bom.Quando ele fala de Madeleine, usa o passado.Embora acredito que ela está morta, era um pouco de um choque!^

Dylan, "film and entertainment" questions on Trivial Pursuit are the worst! I sympathise with you.

Cláudia said...

Olá, Zetta!
I'm glad you find it good. I know what you mean. The first time you're confronted with it, it is always a shock. That happened to me but a long time ago.
I also find Entertainment one of the most difficult categories.

nancy said...

Hi everyone! Lovely day here today!

Claudia -

On the McCann Files there is an article by Duarte Levy regarding the McCann's campaign and a possible visit by them to PdeL. I must say he doesn't sound at all happy with the prospect and who can blame him!

Is there any news regarding Goncalo Amarel and the trial going on in which he is involved? I hope it's going in his favour poor man.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
Not only Duarte Levy! Thousands (probably millions? of Portuguese people. And Paulo Reis too. http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/
Nexy session (maybe the last) will be on the 22nd!
Still no food poisining! :-)
Enjoy the lovely day!

gina said...

Hi Claudia & Zetta,

I have not read the book, but I also think that Madeleine is no longer alive. Nothing now can changed what happened but I do live in hope that her remains may one day be found and she is laid to rest properly.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
So do I. It could be the turning point in all this. For many reasons.

gina said...

Claudia I have just been reading the McCann files. Who is Paulo Sargento, is he a journalist?

Cláudia said...

No, Gina. Paulo Sargento is a forensic psychologist, a university professor and an author. And a gentleman, if I might add.

gina said...

Well whoever he is he doesn't leave anyone in doubt about his feelings does he. I am not going to paste his words on here because I am sure you have all read it but his views on Madeleine being alive and WELL are exactly my views. I know there are some who want to believe a nice childlish couple took her and are taking good care of her, but NICE people do not take other people's kids, they adopt homeless ones

Cláudia said...

Exactly.
I completely share Paulo Sargento's opinions, as he well knows. I understand why people want to believe Madeleine is still alive. It's human. Actually believing it is a different thing. And I don't believe it since around August 2007.

Anonymous said...

Hi all

Claudia, glad your cooking went well and I'm sure it was lovely, as one of your guests said. :-)

Zetta and Claudia, yes I agree - those questions suck! Years ago I used to watch every soap going until something happened that made me phobic of TV programmes but wasn't in any way related to them - odd! It's taken me years to get to a point where I can watch it again, but it's very much on my terms. I only watch programmes that I have seen in TV guides and that I know I would like to watch and I never flick through the channels trying to find something decent! I haven't watched a soap now for 20 years and I can't say that I'm missing much!!

Gina, I also think that Maddie is no longer with us & I too hope that she can be laid to rest in peace someday. Even if she had been abducted,which I doubt, I think that advertising her eye defect would have sealed her fate, unfortunately. Poor little lamb.

Dylan xxx

gina said...

Yes, I share a lot of his views too. I also think that everyone should live in hope Madeleine is safe (even if they are convinced the parents did something), but taking into account everything that we have heard and seen I think the chances of that are very slim.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
My cooking hasn't caused any victims yet! LOL All the food was eaten but I'm still a bit suspicious of the guest who said it was great! :-)
My TV is always on but I'm rarely watching. I like and watch some tv series, documentaries and the news. And that's basically it. I watched soap operas when I was a kid.
Let us hope one day Madeleine will get the Peace and Justice she deserves.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

I wouls say almost impossible, Gina. Sadly.

gina said...

Claudia/Dylan, I know I have been accused many times of having imaginary friends etc. bl de bla but the simple truth is many of my friends are police officers and several have worked for many years tracking paedos. Some of the things they have told me would make you physically sick as it did them. The reason I got so up in arms about all the publicity was simply this. Yes, ofcourse people need to be made aware of a missing child and need media help etc. but they can take it too far and put the child at further risk. eg. Information on the eye defect was against police advice and the advice was given for good reason. Secondly, making her as famous as she is now could also make her more desireable & a very marketable commodity to be passed around (not elaborating on that). If Madeleine has not been taken by NICE people, then given all the other options, for Madeleine's sake I would prefer the scenario that her parents accidentally gave her too many sedatives.

I have now depressed myself thinking about this again, I think I had better go back to talking about onions

Cláudia said...

Gina, Mr CArlos Anjos was very clear on that issue, on Portuguese TV. He said that the parents were advised by the Police about what the consequences were. And Mr Anjos' words were very clear. Had Madeleine been abducted, revealing the detail about her eye would be signing her death sentence. How they could do it against Policre advice I'll never know. Unless, of course, they knew the risk did not exist.

gina said...

The eye issue has been debated many times and those who defend the McCanns every action have said they were given advice to do it by (oh hell I can't remember who, something like missing childrens bureau). My view in that case is, if you expect the police to do their job properly take their advice, or don't take their advice and ask whoever you are taking advice from to do the searching

Cláudia said...

Gina, when you expect a Police Force to find your missing daughter, you do what they say. It is common knowledge that revealing a detail which makes a child unique is a huge risk in case of abduction because it makes the abductor feel cornered and pressure to get rid of the 'evidence of his crime'. Of course I don't believe there was an abduction so I kind of understand why they did not hesitate doing it.
You are not the only one having conversations with people who know about these things. ;-)

gina said...

I don't know if you have the same problem as me having conversations with people who know about these things. I sometimes want to shake them, they will never give me their own opinion, stating they are not involved in this case and have not seen anything other than is in the public domain. They are so to the book. Also, and to be fair when they come to stay here they are on holiday and really need a well earned rest from what they have to endure when working.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina. Not really. My problems are slightly different. And they include the fact that I'm not able to expand much on the matter. :-)

gina said...

I am about to go deal with an problem that needs resolving immediately. My dogs are bored with waiting for their dinner and are trying to open the cupboard to get it themselves. Off now TTFN

Cláudia said...

I love dogs! :-)
'See' you later!

gina said...

2 are in a crate on their way to you, enjoy :-) (The do not speak Portuguese BTW

J J said...

Hello Claudia & All

It doesn't give me any pleasure to say this, but I also think Madeleine is dead.
I have thought this from the moment she was reported 'missing' on TV news.

From the outset, there was something that just didn't seem right.
From the moment Robert Murat was made an arguido, I thought he was a scapegoat. Again, I don't know why I thought this. I just did.

It would be lovely if I'm wrong and one day Madeleine turns up alive and well.

But I think that's just whistful thinking.
I agree with Gina, thinking about what could have happened to that poor little girl is so depressing.

Cláudia said...

No worries! I completely master doguese! :-) I really do! :-)
Hasta luego!

Cláudia said...

Hi, JJ!
At first I thought she might be found alive because I didn't suspect the parents' involvement in the beginning. Now I think that she is almost certainly not with us anymore. I find it almost impossible that Madeleine will one day be found alive. And I certainly find it impossible that one day she will be found alive AND well.
All of us would love it if Madeleine was alive. It doesn't mean we have to believe it is possible, though. I would also love World Peace. But I know it's not going to happen.
xxxx

nancy said...

I don't think many people believe that Madeleine is still alive, unless of course it was a complete scam by the McCanns and Maddie is in a safe place somewhere, and maybe that isn't so far fetched when you see how happy and smiling they are at times.

I am still of the opinion that there was an accident in the apartment or on the steps, or she was overdosed along with the twins, with a fatal result.

In my opinion the 'abduction' theory is one the McCanns want everyone to believe so they can keep on fooling everyone to pay into the Madeleine Fund and those who persist in saying she could still be alive are just playing into the McCann's hands.

I also think that the biggest mistake the McCanns could have made, if they really want Maddie found, was to publicise her eye defect. If by some remote chance she had been abducted, that would have sealed her fate pretty quickly.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Nancy!
The dogs made it pretty clear for me. And people can trash them until the cows come home. I'll believe them over anyone every day of the week.
Had Madeleine been abducted, revealing the eye detail would have been convicting her to the death sentence, according to what Mr Carlos Anjos said.
I think the Fund plays a very important role in this whole sorry mess.
xxxx

Anonymous said...

Hi JJ, nice to see you :-)

Gina: "My view in that case is, if you expect the police to do their job properly take their advice, or don't take their advice and ask whoever you are taking advice from to do the searching"

I completely agree and so does Claudia from her reply to you. As for what you and JJ say, again, I agree. Sad as it may seem, for Maddie's sake, if she's 'gone', I really do hope it was after an accident when she knew nothing of the horrors of this World that only grown-ups should and do know about, rather than having been abducted by a paedophile ring, been abused by them, subjected to things that I cannot even begin to utter, and then killed in an environment of total abject fear and terror. Maybe wishing it were this way makes me evil, I don't know, but that second alternative is worse and is the only alternative I can think of, had she been abducted.

I am with Nancy, Claudia and almost everyone who still blogs about this case two years down the line, the dogs don't lie and the only way the indication of cadaver and blood could have been there, is if, either;

a) the McCanns are the most unlucky people on Earth as a whole string of coincidences occured that made E & K only indicate to their appartment (out of the whole block), their car (out of all of the others tested) and their possesions.

or

b) the McCanns were set up.

Personally, neither of these is either likely or believable and, therefore, that leaves M dying in the appartemnt on 3/5/07.

After all that has been said and done, I think that posting leaflets and bothering the people of PdL (or haunting them?) with leaflets, is both fruitless and down-right cruel and an insult to the PJ for to whom the McCanns failed to take advice and to be complicit with whilst they were trying to help. This makes me feel really angry!

Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan!
I'm mentally giving you a standing ovation here! :-)
xxxx

Zodiac said...

Hi all,

Dylan well said! I hope your little one is better now.

With regard to the poster campaign imo it is just more Pink McPropaganda tactics, such as the claims of the ripping up of posters in anger etc! Just another attempt to incite racism and hatred towards Portugal, imo! The only people who gave up on M were the ones who were responsible for her safety and wellbeing. The ones who refused to take part in a reconstruction when asked by the investigating authority. Her mother who refused to answer 48 questions asked of her by the investigating authority. Yet these same people, who because of their actions or should I say inaction are imo responsible for whatever situation their child may or may not find herself in, claim that people were not questioned properly! The mother should be answering questions put to her before having the audacity to imply that other people were not questioned properly. Does this Campaign have the appropriate permission to put these posters up and also the appropriate permission to ask anyone in Portugal for information relating to the child who mysteriously vanished in Pdl on 03/05/07? I thought this case was shelved not closed! I also thought it was shelved under homicide and hiding a cadaver with not enough evidence to charge her parents. Not enough evidence not no evidence.

JennyH said...

You've summed it up very well, Dylan.

I have joined this blog because the views expressed here are closest to my own.

I must admit, though, that I have practical questions about what happened that I really don't have answers for and it isn't for want of thinking or discussion.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac! Great post!
And the same people who refused to cooperate and to assist the Police who were desperately trying to find out what happened to their daughter are the sames who have the nerve to, once again, insult the people of the Algarve (who missed work and gave up sleep to search for Madeleine) by insinuating that they haven't been asked about it and may be unaware that a child is missing for almost two years? And they expect people to react well to this? The people of the Algarve are good people. But there are limits. Algarvians didn't leave Madeleine and her twin brother and sister alone during that vacation. They didn't refuse to answer Police questions. They didn't say they would never leave the Algarve without Madeleine and then fled as soon as they were made arguidos. They didn't refuse to return to the Algarve after telling the world they would go back as soon as the authorities thought it was necessary. What happened to Madeleine is not Algarvians' responsibility. The people of the Algarve should be left alone. If they can't thank them for what they did and acknowledge and appreciate their efforts, the least they can do is leave them alone one. Once and for all.

Cláudia said...

Hi, JennyH.
Welcome and thank you for joining!
I agree with with regarding Dylan's post.
Believe me, I also have many unanswered questions. Starting by the 48 that weren't answered. Some of the questions I think can only be answered by those involved, whoever they are. Others I don't even want to think about, to be honest.
I sometimes wonder if we are ever going to have answers for our questions. And sometimes I feel pessimistic, to be honest. But then I think about all the people who are working very hard so we can get answers and Madeleine can get Justice. And believe me, there are people out there who haven't given up. They are people out there, being threatened and intimidated, who refuse to let go. And they are the ones who give me hope.
Welcome aboard!

Zodiac said...

'They are people out there, being threatened and intimidated, who refuse to let go. And they are the ones who give me hope.'

They give me hope also Claudia.

Hi JJ and welcome JennyH.

Goodnight all and read you tomorrow.

Lia x

Cláudia said...

Hi, Lia!
Hope is a great feeling. It is what makes us keep believing anything is possible. :-)
Sleep tight.
xxxx

Gina said...

Hi Claudia,

Regarding the point raised by Zodiac, what is the actual status of the case. Shelved, pending, ongoing??

Anonymous said...

Hi guys (and yes I know you are all girls!), thank you, but I just spoke from my heart and that doesn't deserve a clap because you are all of the same opinion & so I applaud all of you who still want justice for Madeleine. In Northern Ireland, I saw many murals that were painted on walls from both Protestants and Catholics. I think many of them have been painted over or torn down in the interest of urban renewal and fresh hope. However, one which (ironically) will always remain in my memory said "lest we forget". I think this is why we are all still here for the most part.

Zodiac, good to see you haven't broken your laptop yet and great post :-)

Jenny H, welcome :-) I have so many questions too. I doubt they will ever be answered but I think that Maddie is a worth trying for, and I'm looking forward to your future posts.

Dylan xxxx

Anonymous said...

Mum21 said...
Hi Rosie,

To be honest with you I think Gina has almost run out of blogs to post on. Claudia's is the end of the line for her.
What I find hardest to understand is how she can chat away in such a friendly manner over there after ALL she has said about them...especially Claudia. I wonder if that is why she always put "Not for the blog" on her most attacking comments aimed at Claudia. Sort of leaving her options open.
Oh well...it is her problem and no skin off my nose.

01 April 2009 22:14

Claudia/Gina

Have you looked on J4 today, this is just one of the post and I may be wrong but it seems they are trying to tell you both something :-)

Cláudia said...

Gina, officially Madeleine's case is shelved awaiting further evidence. Officially, I repeat.

Anonymous said...

Goodnight all,

Off to bed now. Elly is much better & I'm really glad that I opted to give her the antibiotics earlier than instructed. I've worked hard to make meals for her that she can eat, but are full of nutrients such as: brocolli soup and her fave, spaghetti bolognaise. She's past the age now where smiley faces in food makes her eat, but at least I can still be crafy about getting good stuff in her tummy :-))) She's less grey now and more pink - lol, am describing my daughter as if she were a prawn!

Nite, Dylan xxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan! :-)
I think JJ may be male, buy I'm not sure, for obvious reasons! :-)
(Sorry JJ if I just made you a transsexual!).
Your post was great and deserved clapping, IMO. :-)
I agree that's the main reason why we are still here.
If all or at least most of our questions were answered, I think Madeleine would be find and the guity ones caught.
Hope your daughter is now fully recovered.
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, anon.
Thanks but not interested. Their tactics only work with the lobotomised. I think they miss Gina! :-)

Anonymous said...

Claudia, oops! Sorry JJ.

Really off to bed now, or at least intending on reading a book in bed ;-)

Dylan xxx

gina said...

Claudia, Officially!

Anon. Yes I have looked several times today to see if they were talking about anything of interest, but could not find anything.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Dylan.
Glad your girl is better. :-) She's lucky to have you as a mother. You know all's well when your child is less grey and more pink! :-)
I'm not sure about JJ, but I think he is a he. :-)
Sleep well. I won't be long either. I can sleep now that I've texted the people I cooked for and found out all are alive and well. :-)
xxxx

Cláudia said...

Hi, Gina.
Yes, officially. I'm sure due to your talks with your friends, you know what that means. :-)

gina said...

Yes I do. (Had to do it with them offline though :-)

Cláudia said...

They never give up, Gina.
Buenas Noches!

gina said...

You know all's well when your child is less grey and more pink! :-)


Unless you accidentally dropped her in a pan of boiling water (sorry could not resist that Dylan)

gina said...

Good night all

Cláudia said...

Oh God, Gina! :-) That sounded like something a La, well, forget it! :-)
Goodnight!

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