Friday, January 16, 2009

Oh boy...

Rosiepops said...

I believe that Leonor Cipriano will have an appeal in portugal and will win that appeal, I believe that this poor woman is innocent and this means her daughter is still out there and her abductors are still free and are probably carrying out their acts today unchallenged.


01 April 2008 22:36

Leonor Cipriano changes her statement and says that her daughter was killed by the uncle

Leonor Cipriano changed her testimony concerning the disappearance of her daughter, in Portimão on the 12th of September 2004. In a witness statement that she signed at the prison of Odemira yesterday, Leonor Cipriano accuses her brother, João Manuel Domingos Cipriano, of being the author of the child’s death.

Beforehand, they intended to simulate an abduction and to send the child to Spain, in exchange for money. This process did not work according to plan and ended up being transformed into a homicide that was carried out by the child’s uncle.

The Public Ministry accuses the child’s mother and uncle of being the authors of Joana’s death and of entertaining an incestuous relationship and that Joana’s body, which remains missing, was dismembered.

Leonor Cipriano’s lawyer will make a statement this afternoon, after the testimony, which is eight pages long, is delivered at the Court of Faro.

This revelation is made on the day of the trial of alleged aggressions against Leonor Cipriano by Polícia Judiciária inspectors.

Joana’s mother, Leonor Cipriano, and her uncle, João Cipriano, have been condemned by the Supreme Court of Justice to 16 years in prison each, over the crimes of homicide and concealment of the child’s cadaver.

source: Lusa, 16.01.2009


Niza said...

Ola Claudia, who Rosiepops who defend child killers? She very, very sick person. She like some do that to her child? I not understand such derange persons. They dropped on head when born or just born evil?

Zodiac said...


May they rot in prison where they deserve to be! Poor little Joana having them in her life. Poor little Joana's name and memory being used by people who support those who neglected their child and try to character assassinate anyone who tries to find justice for Joana and the then 3-year old child that mysteriously disappeared. Those ignorant selfish people have affected how many people’s lives and careers. Good luck to Goncalo Amaral and hopefully because of him justice will be found for another innocent little child.

Cláudia said...

Hi, Niza!
She's a nutter who thinks those convicted child killers are 'poor innocent people'. No normal person can understand anyone feeling any kind of empathy towards convicted child killers. But unfortunately it is not that uncommon. Many known srrial killers get fan mail in jail. There is no shortage of nutters in this world.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, amen!
These two are already paying for their crimes in jail. We can only wish they never see the light of day again.
I still have hope that anyone who has in any way been responsible for a child's suffering will also pay for it.

helmylin2 said...

Hi Cláudia,

I'm speechless! :-(


Cláudia said...

Hi, Helmy. I understand. But everybody here in Portugal knows what happened to poor Joana. And the fact that the convicted killers of Joana Cipriano have support from some McCann supporters is also not new.


helmylin2 said...

Olá Cláudia,

I knew that convicted killers of Joana Cipriano have support from some McCann supporters.

I didn't know that they dismembered the poor child. Not the suporters, the mother and uncle. I hope they never get out of prison.

I really must stop skimming over things and read them thorughly.

In answer to Niza "They dropped on head when born or just born evil?"

I think they were just born evil.


Cláudia said...

Hi, Helmy.
I wonder if in some time Leonor will be saying that is not what happened and that she was beaten up by her lawyer to confess what she did now (and which I'm completely convinced is not the complete truth but just a way for her to escape direct murder charges - shame she has already been tried, convicted and ran out of appeals).
Leonor coould now also confess where Joana's body is, so she could have a proper burial (assuming that there are remains to be found).
Poor child. I hope they never see the light of day again.
Yeah, born evil is more likely.


Anonymous said...


In Correio da Manhã.

"Madeleine: Gerry McCann was hosted in D. Pedro Palace in Lisbon

Sónia Trigueirão
15 January 2009 - 00h30
Thanks to Astro for translation

Madeleine's father and the English lawyer who accompanied him on the visit to Portugal, on Tuesday, were lodged at the D. Pedro Palace, a five-star hotel and one of the most luxurious ones in Lisbon. Everything, of course, financed by the 'Find Madeleine' Fund.

As far as CM was able to establish, one night at the D. Pedro, in a single room, may cost between 214 and 254 euros. This means that Gerry and the lawyer spent, at least, more than 400 euros for one night.

According to Clarence Mitchell, Madeleine's parents' spokesman, Gerry stayed in a single room and the hotel was chosen not for being five-star, but merely because it is located close to lawyer Rogério Alves' office and because it is discrete. 'We didn't want to transform Gerry's visit into a media show'.

Concerning the fact that the Fund payed for this, Clarence merely recalled the purpose for which it was created 'This type of travel obviously fits into the search for Madeleine which is the Fund's purpose. That was what it was created for and Madeleine's parents will never use it for anything else apart from that', he stated.

Beyond that, Mitchell guarantees that the fund to search for the child still has money: 'We have 800 thousand pounds which is 880.170,36 euros. We don't have money problems. People continue to help us'. The Fund, which was created in 2007, shortly after Madeleine disappeared from the resort at Praia da Luz, had two million euros at some point in time.



The Attorney General's Office informed yesterday that the Madeleine process will only be reopened with 'new, credible and relevant facts'. This is the reply to Gerry, who said that he'd come to Portugal to explore the best way to cooperate with the authorities to 'explore steps that weren't taken yet'.


The McCanns desisted of hiring agencies, but as far as CM has established, they now have a restricted group of people with a past that is linked to the police, willing to continue the investigation. The possibility of that team going to the Algarve is being evaluated."

Anonymous said...

Boa noite Claudia

Durante mais de 1 ano tive que ouvir da parte de algumas pessoas na Sky, que a Joana tinha sido raptada e que estaria por ai, viva e de boa saude e que tudo não tinha passado de um enorme erro da PJ, principalmente do Dr. Amaral, principal alvo desta gente!
Fartei-me de discutir, pedi inclusive para deixarem a alma da menina em paz, que não tornassem o monstro da Leonor numa vitima e nada...continuaram com as insinuações idiotas. Pois hoje, espero que engulam as palavras, se forem religiosas que rezem pela alma da Joana e que principalmente vejam que afinal a nossa PJ não estava errada. Se forem espertas (algumas não são de certeza) também podem tirar algumas conclusões sobre o caso MAddie.
Bom fim de semana

Cláudia said...

Hi, anon. Yes, as I said in my yesterday's thread which was exactly about that, no stone unturned, uh? It says a lot about their priorities.

Cláudia said...

Olá, Paulinha!
Também eu passei exactamente pelas mesmas experiências que tu. Só mudou o sítio. Mas não tenhas grandes expectativas, porque a maior parte dessas pessoas que usaram o nome da Joana de forma nojenta para atingir os seus fins, não tem qualquer vergonha na cara.

Anonymous said...

Olá Claudia
Leonor Cipriano new version of facts, how many more are we expected to acknowledge, and when are we supposed to listen to the final one?
At least now she confessed that the poor Joana is dead, but I just bet that now rosiepops will say that the strangers who wanted Joana but had no money to pay for her, decided to abduct Madeleine a few years later.
Psychopaths …


Cláudia said...

Olá, Tuga.
I wouldn't be surprised at all. Maybe the non-existent couple stayed there for 3 years waiting for irresponsible parents to arrive! ;-)
Anyway, we all know that sadly Joana is dead. But as sad as it may sound, we also know that her death has been the end of her suffering. No one can hurt her again now and had she not been murdered by her mother and uncle her pain and suffering would still continue today.
What happened today is obviously a desperate attempt to escape murder charges (of course she has already been convicted and ran out of appeals) and to place the blame upon her brother. Do you know what would be interesting? To hear to what João Cipriano has to say. I bet he must be feeling chatty! ;-)

Niza said...

I hear Leonor's lawyer on tv news and I laugh. He think we all tacanhos like he? His client confess child dead and he try to equate to Madeleine and that this prove that PJ not investigate proper and always blame parents! Ha ha... PJ blame and prove Leonor and João murder Joana, Leonor lawyer say, no no, Joana alive, Leonor innocent, PJ bad investigators and even now when the mother herself confess Joana murdered by they, he still try to defend that this like Madeleine case and PJ bad investigators. He sooo joker. If anything this show PJ know what they do. It also show he in this for connection to Madeleine case (we already know this) but he do better if he keep quiet. To compare Madeleine case to Joana case on day mother confess...and say PJ not investigate proper... not do much good for McCanns.
If he on my payroll, I fire him.

Anonymous said...

Yes Claudia, I agree that would be very interesting, but maybe the visionary lawyer have another "brilliant solution" to minimize those.
It is unbelievable how the ridicule can go to justify the unjustifiable.

I am ashamed by the way how the bar association have supported the behavior of these people. But I think that in the end they will feel regret.


Cláudia said...

Hi, Niza.
Yes, is he pathetic or is he pathtic? Fortunately he is not exactly bright. Have you heard one of the defence lawyers saying on TV that he did not understand why Marcos Aragão kept giving the defence ammunition. I found that hilarious!
It's certainly not a good idea for the McCanns that he keeps comparing the two cases, but I don't mind! ;-)
Oh, I also loved the explanation why Leonor only admitted now this new version of facts. Apparently she had a pact of silence with her brother! LOL Does it ring a bell? :-)

Cláudia said...

Hi, Tuga!
The visionary can have as many visions as he wants (personally I would advise him to stay away from the poncha), because the whole of Portugal has him figured out.
If I were Marinho Pinto and if I had made that decision, I would be so embarassed i woudn't be able to show my face in public...

Mila said...


Y unas palabras para Joana, la víctima.

Tierna Joana ya puedes descansar en paz.

No me interesa saber porque Leonor ha cambiado de "confesión".
Lo que me importa es que ya no podrán servirse de ti , diciendo que estas viva y perdida, con la única intención de perjudicar a la PJ.

Tu propia madre ha reconocido que estas muerta y que ella lo sabia desde el principio.

Tu alma ya puede reposar tranquila.
No te olvidaremos nunca. Tienes todo nuestro cariño.

Cláudia said...

Mila, saludos!
Sábias palavras! A Joana está agora a salvo e não pode ser mais usada por gente sem escrúpulos.
Gracias e besos!

Zodiac said...

'Rosiepops said...

I believe that Leonor Cipriano will have an appeal in portugal and will win that appeal, I believe that this poor woman is innocent and this means her daughter is still out there and her abductors are still free and are probably carrying out their acts today unchallenged.'

Hi Claudia,

No wonder he/she/it is frothing at the mouth and lashing out at posters from he/she/it's rotting meat and dirty nappy backed-up toilet bog. Too much has been raining down on their parade of late. Or should I say absolutely pissing down on it!

Cláudia said...

Hi, Zodiac! LOL
I see you're inspired today! :-) Poops and Bum have been bloody angry for almost 2 years. Man, they must have a collection of ulcers. When they burp it must be like sulfuric acid!


Zodiac said...

'When they burp it must be like sulfuric acid!'



I would not be surprised if it is like a scene from the film Exorcist when they take to the keyboard. You know where the head spins round and all the seething! Yikes!

Cláudia said...

Yes, Zodiac, I remember the scene although I saw it a long time ago. It must be like a normal day for Poops and Bum! :-)