Thursday, August 28, 2008

Well within the bounds of responsible parenting

To the family in row 3: you left your daughter behind at the airport

A four-year-old Israeli girl was left behind at the airport as her mother, father and four siblings rushed to catch a flight to Paris.

The ultra-Orthodox family of seven, who between them had 18 suitcases, were in a hurry not to miss their flight from Ben Gurion international airport at Tel Aviv, and in their haste failed to notice that only six of them had actually boarded the plane.

The girl was found crying and wandering around the departures hall, a massive circular area with dozens of stores and eateries.

Sagit Ben-Eden, a policewoman, noticed the girl and stopped to interview her. After obtaining her surname and checking flight records they ascertained that the parents had boarded a San Dor flight to Paris an hour earlier.

“I saw a little girl in tears. She was looking for her parents,” Ms Ben-Eden said.

“Luckily she was able to give me her name. I grabbed her and ran to the gates but it was too late (because the plane had just taken off)."

As the aircraft gained height, the girl’s parents suffered the crushing embarrassment of being tannoyed by the pilot of the plane to inform them that their family was one short. They had apparently still not realised.

Superintendent Amnon Shmueli, commander of the airport's Passport Control said:
"I've been on this job for many years, but I've never seen someone forget their child at the airport. I've seen people return to collect forgotten equipment, but such an incident never happened before."

The incident was a reminder of the 1990 US box office hit Home Alone, in which a little boy is accidentally left alone as his family rush to the airport and fly to Paris for a Christmas holiday.

Unlike the movie, there was a happy ending for the little girl who was able to join her parents. She was flown to Paris on the next flight out, accompanied by a flight attendant.

The forgetful parents will be questioned by the authorities upon their return home and may be charged with negligence, police said.

The girl's grandmother, who took the family to the airport from their home in the northern town of Afula, said:
"I simply don't know how this happened to them. We're in shock. They're very responsible and organised, top-notch people. Apparently each one relied on the other and this is what happened."

The incident comes a few days after an eight-year-old boy traveling alone from Ben Gurion got on an El Al flight to Brussels instead of Munich, where his grandparents were waiting for him. Two weeks before that, a 10-year-old boy was left at Ben-Gurion airport while the rest of his group got on a Turkish Airline flight to Copenhagen.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article4455978.ece


I'll refrain from commenting this because my language would make a truckman blush like a schoolgirl.

50 comments:

Shu/Outono said...

A nice day!

Upsss. So many situations at Israel,also. This morning I have read
another sad news at
http://www.ynetnews.com/

Helmy said...

Hello Cláudia,

Do people with large families not count noses before they depart? It defies belief. I bet all 18 pieces of luggage made it on the plane.

Oh well, I'm sure it was just a simple error in the parents judgement and falls well within the bounds of responsible parenting! (She says tongue in cheek!)

They most probally will be told to be more careful in future. That will be the end of that.

Cláudia said...

SHU, what a terrible story. The world is going nuts. A mother drowning her own child. :-(

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3589354,00.html

Cláudia said...

Hello, helmy.
You're aboslutely right. For some people children are less valuable than material belongings. I still can't believe they left a four year old behind and did not notice it. Unbelievable.
I'm waiting for the government to assist them, por a fund to be set up and for rich backers to support this family (ahem) who made a small judgment error.

Anonymous said...

Pois é,as desgraças e pessoas altamente perturbadas não acabam:

..."In her interrogation, the woman said she had planned to drown her son several days ago because he was "a burden".

In a note found in the woman's purse, she had asked for her husband's forgiveness. "I love the child, but I don’t want to die with him," she wrote.

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3589354,00.html
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por aqui,"nem às paredes confessaram"...........

Why some guilties confess and others do everything......and nothing they confess.
No remorses?
Psicopatas;sociopatas.

SHU(c/preguiça)

Cláudia said...

Olá, SHU.
Porque alguns são doentes. Outros são pérfidos.

Zodiac said...

Hi Claudia,

'Unbelievable.
I'm waiting for the government to assist them, por a fund to be set up and for rich backers to support this family (ahem) who made a small judgment error.'

Or the McC's Phone call with a message saying we feel your pain.

Utterly shameful a plane about to take off and the parents do not know their 4 year old is not on board!


'..."In her interrogation, the woman said she had planned to drown her son several days ago because he was "a burden".'

A pefect example of why some people should not be allowed to have children.

Cláudia said...

Zodiac, it's unbelievable, isn't it? I have trouble understanding how they hadn't noticed until the pilot told. Can you image: "dear family xxx, haven'y tyou forgotten anything?".

Shu/Outono said...

Sim,uns são doentes e registados,digamos assim.As suas famílias sabem-no e dizem-no.
Os pérfidos são mesmo sociopatas e psicopatas,capazes de actos de enorme inteligência,não deixando qualquer pormenor por tratar.E,assim,perante a Justiça terrena se conseguem crimes perfeitos.
Daqui a quanto tempo saberemos, ou como saberemos dos deslizes, deles?
Quando virá a verdade (muita coisa já se sabe)ao de cima?
K. change the clothes;
--------- change,also the clothes; one child was ill and with vomits; no clean was need;
the tenis bag........oh,the tennis bag.

Anonymous said...

Este excerto de um comentário é a propósito de Rose,mas poderia ser também de..."A civilized and polite couple. They did not appear then as they do now."
..................................
claims to have seen Rose much more recently than when Vivien claims she disappeared. R. and several other neighbors said he saw Rose alive in June. Police confirmed that they have other reports that Rose was seen alive in June."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArtStEngPE.jhtml?itemNo=1015483&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&title=%27The%20Search%20for%20Rose%20/%20Neighbors:%20%27Civilized%27%20couple%20did%20not%20arouse%20suspicion%20%27&dyn_server=172.20.5.5

Anonymous said...

Judgment (legal) is based on 'intention'.

The parents did make a serious mistake, but it was quickly noticed and 'put to rights'. No great harm was done.

They did not intentionally abandon one of their children.

Anonymous said...

claudia,

The mother who drowned her son was honest and will be made to face the consequences.

Anonymous said...

This mother did at least co-operate and answer police questions.

Cláudia said...

SHU, obrigada pela contribuição e pelos links.

Cláudia said...

Anon 22:17, I am not interested in the legal aspect of it. No harm was done because the parents got lucky. That's all. If the child had bee found by a pervert instead of a decent citizen, what would have happened? What if the child had left the airport to look for her parents and had been hit by a car? I don't just dislike the McCanns. I dislike all parents who disrespect their children by putting futile things in front of their children's needs. I hope they learn from their stupid actions and something similar doesn't ever happen agin. That four year old girl deserves to be cared and looked after at all times.

Cláudia said...

Anon 22:21 and anon 22:22,

the mother who drowned her son is, almost certainly, mentally ill. However, she is a killer and has to pay for her terrible crime. Since she seems so mentally ill, I'm just sorry that her mental problems were reflected on her innocent child and not on her. If she had killed herself, it would also be a tragedy because a human life would be lost. But at least no innocent soul would have paid the price.

Nana said...

Good morning
I couldn't agree more with your last comment, Cláudia. Well said.
Abraços

Anonymous said...

As bad as it is to forget your 4 year old at the airport and take off to paris (mind you, if they had Lost her and distraughtly looked I would feel bad for them, but not to even have noticed the absence, just seems absolutely beyond comprehension), as far as we know this was a one-time event. Different from the Gruesome Twosome who CHOSE for various days to LEAVE their children alone knowingly.

As a side comment, I note that these incidents of neglect and/or murder seem to occur in greater number with children between the age of 3/5. Is it because that is a particularly difficult time in raising a child? When I look at children this age, they are so cute, I can't even think of how anyone could harm them in any way.

Anonymous said...

claudia,

What if, what if, what if, what if ??

It was clearly unintentional and no-one was harmed. What more do you want ? The wrath of God ?

Helmy said...

Hello Cláudia,

I also feeel that the parents of the four year old didn't mean to neglect their child but neglect they did. It is neglect if you don't make sure all your children are present and accounted for. A four year old needs to be watched at all times. They can be ever so quick and just disapear. It just dosen't make sense to me that you are strapping your children in their seats and you don't notice you are one short.

These won't have been poor people not traveling with four children and 18 pieces of luggage. More middle to upper middle class foolishness for want of a better word.

Anonymous said...

claudia,

" ... no innocent soul would have paid the price".

There's overwhelming police evidence that Madeleine paid the ultimate price on or around 3 May.

She had exactly the same right to live as those responsible for the forensic evidence found by Eddie & Keela.

Cláudia said...

Nana, obrigada!
Um abraço grande e apertado!

Cláudia said...

Anonymous 8:06, I agree. Personally, I feel that the decison the McCanns chose to make several times is worse. But I have to say than I can't view leaving a four year old child behind in an airport and not notice it as anything but neglect.
I also agree regarding the ages. It's a tricky age. On one hand, they are more independent because they can walk and express themselves. On the other, it is exactly because they are physically more independent that they can put themselves in more danger and have to be watched at all times. As I said somewhere, I could even understand that in a moment, in the middle of the mess in the airport someone let go of the child's hand. What I can't certainly understand is them boarding the plane, taking off and only noticing a four year old is missing when they are told so. Still unbelievable as far as I'm concerned.

Cláudia said...

Anon 9:01. if you are looking for a place where child neglect is viewed as normal, natural, a small mistake or even well within the bounds of resposible parenting, you are in the wrong place. It's exactly because people don't think about the what ifs that Madeleine is gone, most likely dead. I know of an online place where people who defend the McCanns and their parenting style remember old times, when they forgot their children outside shops and only noticed it when they got home with their groceries and everything they needed, excpet for their child and then laugh about it. Maybe you should comment there. Or do you already do that?

Cláudia said...

Helmy, my thoughts exactly. I agree with everything you said. :-)
Thank you.

Cláudia said...

Anonymous 10:31, we all know that.

Niza said...

Claudia, there difference between anonymous 09:01 and other neglect supporters and decent folk. I know case of single mother working very hard day and night as seamstress at home to put food on table for babies. One day she sleep early in morning and two children 3 and 4 year olds wake up, dress, push chair to door, take off latch, turn key and leave house. A few seconds later mother say she feel something strange wake up frantically and find children missing, run around street and neighbour say he see them 5 min before but they hand in hand walking calmly he thought mother upfront. Mother run around looking for babies all over asking everyone to help and calls police. All neighborhood looking for babies. 5 min later police arrive. Girls found. They had decide to surprise mommy and go buy bread but so early coffee shop where mother buy bread closed. Everything end well, mother not have any problems with police but 6 years have past and she still say she neglegent, she not know how she let happen and cries. Feel very guilty and sad with herself. Yet not couple on holiday want to go out. She home with children, work day and night to support children and probably so exausted she not hear noise. She also have everything locked. Who suppose kids do such thing? But she feel very very very guilty.
How people get on plane, sit children and make sure seat belts on and not notice child missing. And worse, how doctors on holiday so no stress, leave children alone, night after night to go out drink and eat? And think within bounds of responsible parenting?
Irresponsible, arrogant, and selfish people they are. And other new phrase I learned today "self-absorbed with delusions of Godliness".

Cláudia said...

Niza, EXACTLY.
Very well, said. Couln't have said it better. Decent people, even when they make mistakes, are the first ones to blame themselves for their failures, instead of placing the blame elsewhere. Have you heard the case, some weeks back, where a single mother who worked shifts at a gas station (I think)left her 8 year old child home at night alone to go to work? The child woke up, got scared because his mother wasn't home and went to the balcony and cried for some time. A neighbour called the authorities. The mother went to court and is currently free awaiting trial. Social services are involved because there is no record that the mother has ever asked for any help with the child and they want to know why she didn't contact them. This mother was not partying. She was working to feed her son. Her son was eight, not 2 and 3 and is not missing. He is well and safe. Nonetheless, the mother is awaiting trial for leaving him alone. And rightly so. Although I think she shouldn't be judged severely, ignoring the case would open a precedent. Just like ignoring what the McCanns did meant opening a huge precedent. I find what the McCanns did a lot more serious. Firstly, they were not working. They were on vacation and could have chosen to stay in or take the children with them. Their children were a lot younger and one ended up missing. The difference? I bet the Portuguese mother did not speak with her prime minister on the phone. She has got no rich backers, no celebrities supporting her, no hot shot lawyers and no friends in high places. She is poor. And Portuguese.

Niza said...

Claudia, yes I hear that story. I also understand why mother not call social services for help. I know of people that call because left alone with children, father abandons and then social services not help mother who pay discounts all work life, instead they try remove children from mother. In that mother place I not call social services either. Not trust them to be fair or make good decisions. If this woman charged, I will write to ministery and hope other too. This woman have problem and government institutions in past not solve these situations decent way, not blame mother for not trusting. If she charged, I think woman's movement need to get involved because poor people mostly women and children. They suffer most and cannot count most time on public institutions for help.

Niza said...

Forget to say only foreigners and wealthy can count on public institutions. Others get treatment like dirt.

Cláudia said...

Niza, that woman essentially needs help. But she also needs to be told that an 8 year old child cannot be left alone. Children are not responsible for the choices their parents make. I think the law will most likely be easy on her. I would not defend any kind of sentence in this case, especially because the child needs his mother. But I do believe she needs someone to tell her seriously that it cannot happen again.

Cláudia said...

I would say it differently, Niza. I would say that apparently only poor people and nationals need to respect the law and face the consequences if they break it. Wealthy, important foreigners (I believe poor foreigners are not treated with tweezers, like Mr Amaral would say) seem to get the 'soft' treatment.

Niza said...

Claudia, yes, she do wrong in leave child alone, but I see as act of desperation. You know not ATL to take care of children at night and even during day expensive.

I not know if she not have neighboor she trust to leave child or if she new in area or just scared and shy to involve others.

With so many people on Rendimento Minimo and Unemployment, I think social services should get one of these people that have experience and recomendation for work with kids to do babysitting and resolve these situations for single mothers. But we know this not happen. They probably tell her she not have conditions to care for child because work at night and take him to institution and tell her to see child on weekends.

Bad situation, but I feel woman know its wrong. I suspect she just too desperate to do different. This is very sad, and that why I so revolted with McCanns smiling around and creating funds and poor people that really need help, why no one start fund to help find babysitters? They need much less money and not spend on suspect detective agencies that make strange promisses.

Niza said...

Claudia, with foreigners that are not residents I think general attitude is to send them home, not to deal with crazy behaviour. We have enough problems here. Not right, specially in case with children because children, to me, not have nationality. They need to be protected by all countries.

Cláudia said...

Niza, I perfectly understand what you mean. And I agree. Many of these cases result from social and economical problems. What I think is that it cannot be used as an excuse to ignore the behaviour because soon you would have many people doing the same and then excusing their actions with their life circumstances. I do agree that social services should and need to hand matters differently. And children's facilities need to improve. It's urgent.
As for foreign citizens who do not live here, sometimes it seems like the goal is not to create diplomatic incidents. But you're right. Children have no nationality and should always come first.

Niza said...

Claudia, true, not want diplomatic incident.
A friend mine from 1st year in school live in America now and she come on holiday in June and tell me of case in US years ago of British couple who leave children alone in hotel to go dinner and charged by US police. Father of the mother is some big person in UK police and big diplomatic proble start between US and UK because US insist in charge them with neglegence. Children also small.
She not remember how case end, but when we talk about Madeleine she say that idea she and other Americans she talk to have is that upper middle class UK people are selfish and put children in 2nd place. They raised by nanny and many sent to internal school and not come home for long time (Sorry to nice UK upper middle class that take care of children, for say this).

Niza said...

I also read somewhere in US mother go to work and take children and leave in car because not have any help or money to leave with babysitter. People realise because she keep ask to go to bathroom and go many times to check car. Social Service in US call and mother have some problems but people make noise and she get help and situation resolve. She very young mother but she not leave them at home, she did best she know, take with her and ask many times to go to bathroom to check little children. Sad stories of desperate mothers love and worry of children.
Not like mothers with child missing that go put highlight in hair.

Cláudia said...

Niza, In the US, child neglect is a very serious matter. I wish the McCanns had left their children alone in the US. I don't think it is a British thing. It's just that some peoplen think that money buys everything. Including a child's love.
I also know of a mother who had nowhere to leave her child. She took him with her to work and explained the situation to her boss. Her boss understood it but she told him that if she wasn't allowed to have her child with her until she found a solution, she would quit her job. She worked out a solution with an older family member in the end.
Going out for a while.
See you later, I hope, Niza.

Shu/Outono said...

Comecei a dar a volta aos nossos jornais.Só "indirectamente" o que vou copiar para aqui tem sentido.Aliás,tem todo o sentido.Não fala da Pequenina Maddie mas fala de factos tenebrosos também passados no Chile.(os advogados dos mcs não foram ou são os adv. do pinochet?)
...""Somos cinco mil/ nesta pequena parte da cidade/ somos cinco mil/ Quantos seremos no total nas cidades e em todo o país?", dizia o último poema escrito por Jara, intitulado Estádio Chile. Apesar de morto pela ditadura, a sua voz e a sua mensagem continuam a ser ouvidas.
( o estádio do chile era ante-câmara da tortura,seguida de execução)

Quanto a contas e idades:

Víctor Jara. No ano em que se assinala 35 anos da sua morte, a Justiça chilena volta a reabrir o processo da tortura e morte brutal do cantautor e director de teatro....

http://dn.sapo.pt/2008/08/30/dngente/o_artista_a_ditadura_augusto_pinoche.html

Shu/Outono said...

About ...Rose Pizem:

...."Who knows what takes place behind closed doors? Everyone will delve into the morbid gossip and extract as much as possible, but we will never be able to understand how a little girl was murdered by her family or why no one heard her whimper and saved her. Because the worst crimes - though we already know it we still find it hard to believe - take place in the family. Parents rape their children, siblings fight each other and grandparents are beaten until they bleed. This truth is so threatening to human society that we have two main ways of denial and repression.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1015489.html

....."When a crime is well hidden and perhaps premeditated with no one complaining, the police or welfare services cannot help. If someone is to blame or be held responsible in this case, it is the girl's family. Before the welfare services and police intervened, all they had to alert them was a hesitant letter to the National Council for the Child; a polite inquiry from a French lawyer. Now all the inattentive neighbors remember that tensions existed and that Rose was quiet and sad."

Título do artigo:

The Rose Pizem case / It can happen anywhere
By Avirama Golan

Cláudia said...

SHU, totally agree. Many times the danger is close. And when it isn't, it is up tothose who are close to keep children safe from harm.
Thanks for the interesting links and research.

Shu/Outono said...

Maddie....Rose....Caylee........****

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I copy my comment from Joana´s Blogue.(guerra is a pt who lives at Canadá and write a lot at JM and PR)
To guerra:thank you by the case, a very young children,not seen since 9/06/2008 and ONLY 15 July someone ,only,july,someone go to the police.

Poor Baby,only 3!******STARS*****

http://www.mahalo.com/Caylee_Anthony...

***
Cláudia:

do´nt thanks to me.

I am " a copy and paste,or worst a cusca" a retired person but cusca.

Shu/Outono said...

Another thing,some articles about Rose Pizem or Pizam are now not acessible and are copyright.

Shu/Outono said...

Os abomináveis seres que dão à luz crianças inocentes, as quais nada pediram:

"...According to court records, Casey Anthony wanted to give Caylee up for adoption when she became pregnant, but her mother, Cindy Anthony, convinced her not to.2"

Shu/Outono said...

De outro Jornal,aqui está a explicação:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1016573.html
"................................
Rose has not yet been found. We can fear for her fate, society can be concerned for its children, we can discuss what can be done to prevent such horrors in future, even if there is little value in doing so. But when the Rose mystery turns into the Rose Parade, the soul begins to weary of all that yellow rose.

More to read there,if You wish.

Cláudia said...

Thank you, SHU. Poor children. They deserved so much better. If Casey had been given up for adoption she would, most likely, have been a very loved little girl. Violence and abuse are always terrible things. But when children are the victims, it is as horrible, disgusting and revolting as it gets.

Anonymous said...

Cláudia:há muitos negócios escuros por de trás de algumas,ALGUMAS,adopções.Não digo que seja no nosso País.
Já li,em sites,que essas "adopções" são mortais para tráfico ....de tudo:
morte;órgãos;trabalhos pesados UM HORROR.
Mas quanto à Pequenina Cayle,de apenas 3 anos,parece que também não há corpo e houve cheiro a cadáver no carro.Mas a progenitora e a avó ainda usam t-shirts,à "procura" dela.
Leia os comentários de guerra na Gazeta e no Blogue do Paulo.

E,já agora: o que fizeram ao Paulo e ao Blogue dele?
********************************
Todos gostamos de ver a felicidade das crianças que conseguem um lar cheio de amor e de cuidados para receber.Ficamos tão felizes.
É o melhor que acontece.Esta é aparte linda e romântica das adopções.
História bonita:
Há tempos uma Jovem Mãe, do Norte, (30 e tal)adoptou 2 crianças.Após os inúmeros anos de tratamento para a infertilidade,de causa desconhecida,engravidou e teve o seu filho biológico.

A história feia:
No emprego desta estupenda Mulher e Mãe,
uma outra mulher(zinha)disse-lhe:
"então e agora, as outras crianças?vais devolver,não é?"

E temos de conviver com este lixo, da mulherzinha e de outras e outros,não esquecendo os progenitores de Maddie e todos os que mataram os seus filhos.E de todos que desprezam as vidas das crianças e as mal tratam.


Shu(tenho o firefox,mas já não é a 1ª vez que me diz que não pode processar o envio e obriga-me a digitar novamente a palavra passe.)

Cláudia said...

SHU, o Paulo e o seu blog estão óptimos. Simplesmente ele viajou. Estará de férias uns tempos. Mas segundo soube, vai tentando actualizar o blog, como for possível.

Anonymous said...

Abuso de crianças em Portugal circula na net
ANTÓNIO SOARES E VITOR PINTO BASTO
A Polícia Judiciária está a investigar a possibilidade de filmes de abusos sexuais de menores estarem a ser produzidos em Portugal. Esta quarta-feira, foram efectuadas 18 buscas, de norte a sul, e centenas mais noutros dez países.
> Desaparecem através da Internet
> Flagelo social que desafia a Polícia
> Um operador com 600 predadores sexuais de menores


http://jn.sapo.pt/paginainicial/

Cláudia said...

Anónimo, ainda ontem surgiram excelentes notícias relativamente ao belíssimo trabalho da PJ contra esses monstros. Vários foram apanhados com imagens suspeitas e serão incriminados. Só tenho pena que a nossa legislação não seja mais parecida com a do Texas, se é que me entende...